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Please could somebody help me. My mother Ethel Buck and her siblings were born in North Hammersmith. Fulham District. When she was five in 1918 her parents split up and they were all placed in a home to await fostering. I would love to know more about it. The home they were in and the records of the time they were there.
I have no idea where to start looking and what or who I need to do to start to find out.

You could check with Hammersmith and Fulham Archives. I think this is the address:-

191 Talgarth Road
Hammersmith
London
W6 8BJ

Email: [email protected]
Telephone: 020 7641 5180

It seems to be only open on a Monday between 10am. and 4pm.

Kath. x

valerie... i work in just near there... if you need any assistance i could possibly help... :-)

My great grandfather's siblings faced a similar experience. They were sent to the workhouse in Fulham and from there to the school owned by Hammersmith and Fulham, at Ashford in Middlesex. From there they were sent to Canada, never to see their family again. This was in 1882, but I think the system was still in practice in 1918.

I would bet you will find your children at the Ashford District school. I went to the London Metropolitan Archives where the workhouse records were kept and was given a dusty old ledger to go through. As I turned the pages I had goosepimples as I landed on the handwritten entries of their reception and full details of their time there. You should definitely check with the LMA.

I also found the Hammersmith and Fulham Archives really helpful.

Thankyou very much for the replies to my e-mail regarding the childrens home.
I wiil follow up all the suggestions.
I will get back lf and when I find anything

Val Taylor

Nudging , as Valerie still needs help with this :-)

Hi Valerie....Can you post names & birth years of Ethel's siblings please.....Thank you.

A/Canuck

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1328312

The original info doesn't add up

This is the only birth in Fulham.....................this child would have been 7 in 1918

Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
Buck Ethel W Fulham 1a 184

Is this the correct birth?

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Buck Ethel F Lion Edmonton 3a 1124

EDIT

.........probably not, as there is birth of a sibling in 1919

Valerie

please give us the birth ref for your mother

Valerie has Ethel born 1911 in her tree.

Rose

There is an unsourced tree on Ancestry, giving dob of 17/5/11 for Ethel, with parents William Buck 1881-1957 and Grace Adelaide Burgess ?-1941. Valerie has both these people in her tree, so I'm assuming it could be her tree.

2 more likely children born to that couple, George H 1913 and Grace E 1914, but we really need more from Valerie.

Ethel Winifred Buck born 17/5/1911, 25 Stone St Shepards Bush, brother George Henry born 13/3/13 St Christophers Blds, Wigmore St. Parents William Henry Richard Buck, and Grace Adelaide Burgess (married 13/9/1909, reg office).

All according the William's military record - he enlisted 23/3/11, discharged 27/4/15. Acknowledged his medals 24/11/21, address Lime Grove Shepards Bush.

Just thought some dates would help in trying to find the school/home they were placed.

Added: There are a number of trees on ancestry with the younger child Grace on them, giving same parents details - may be worth contacting tree owners to see if they can give you more.

1911 census

Person: BUCK, Grace Address: 25 Sterne St Shep Bush W

NEWELL, Thomas Head Married M 45 1866 Shop Assistant Poulterer Etonwick Bucks VIEW
NEWELL, Louise Wife Married18 years F 37 1874 Petworth Sussex VIEW
NEWELL, Mabel Daughter F 8 1903 Southwark London VIEW
NEWELL, Francis Son M 2 1909 Fulham London VIEW
NEWELL, Louise Daughter F 1 1910 Fulham London VIEW
NEWELL, Ernest Son M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Hammersmith London VIEW
BURGESS, Montapal Boarder Single M 23 1888 Paper Ruler Bloomsburg London VIEW
BUCK, William Boarder Married M 29 1882 Porter Camberwell London VIEW
BUCK, Grace Boarder Married1 years F 22 1889 Bloomsbury London VIEW
MILLARD, Jas Langham Boarder Married M 48 1863 Printer Islington London VIEW
MILLARD, Lillian Boarder Married11 years F 37 1874 Liverpool Lancashire VIEW
BOSTOCK, Edward Visitor Married M 33 1878 House Painter Hackney London VIEW

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Buck George H Burgess Marylebone 1a 919

Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
BUCK Grace E Burgess Fulham 1a 360

Something else doesn't add up here, William & Grace were still together in 1939 - are on the ERs at 2 Boscombe Road, Hammersmith (and at various other addresses in Hammersmith since 1933).

Deaths Mar 1941 (>99%)
Buck Grace A 53 Hammersmith 1a 369

Births Dec 1888 (>99%)
BURGESS Grace Adelaide St. Giles 1b 615

Grace Adelaide Burgess
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Oct 1888
Father's Name: William Daniel Burgess
Mother's Name: Sarah Burgess
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bloomsbury St George
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

father a licenced vituallar, address 1 Montague Mews. ADDED, dob 23/8/1888

There is another birth in 1891 for Grace Adelaide Burgess, which the Ancestry trees have all wrongly latched on to - she was still with her parents in 1911.

Ethel BUCK siblings VALETTA GRACE 1st December 1914 FULHAM.and GEORGE HENRY born 13th March 1913 Marylebone.
I did not know if William and Grace got back together later. I was interested to hear that they were in 1939.
When I went to the LMA I was told that as I couldn't find anything it may mean that they were fostered under a private arrangement with their father. I know they went to the first foster home and because they were not looked after they were sent to Ditchling in Sussex to be fostered..
Don't know anymore than that .Is it worth looking and where.
Val

Military records

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about William Henry Richard Buck
Name: William Henry Richard Buck
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Age at enlistment: 35
Document Year: 1916
Regimental Number: 5218
Regiment Name: 2/5 East Surrey Rgt
Number of images: 3

Images show children

Ethel Winifred 17/5/11

George henry 13/3/13

Grace Ethel 1/12/14