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Finding info before 1837/1841

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Ian

Ian Report 17 Feb 2013 20:23

Hi People!

Finished my run of lates/nights so will be researching again this coming week!

Reggie

Reggie Report 13 Feb 2013 10:46

Heavy guns were transported on gun carriages............if you've ever seen the Royal Tournament on TV, you'll have seen the races involving them.

Ian

Ian Report 13 Feb 2013 09:21

This is some great information. It will be great to get this verified! I have checked the military records section and if William is part of my family line, he was an army private for 24 years and his trade was a wheelwright. Quick google search shows wheelwright to be somebody who makes and repairs carriage and other mobile equipment wheels! I would never have imagined a trade like this in the army, but i suppose times have changed since the early 1800's!! I had looked at some of those census records and wondered why the childrens birth places were so varied.

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Feb 2013 13:57

1871 England Census
Name: Susan Hopkinson
Age: 78
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Perth, Scotland
Civil parish: Blidworth
Town: Blidworth
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Blidworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 105
Piece: 3475
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Susan Hopkinson 78

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Feb 2013 13:56

1861 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Godfrey
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Blidworth, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Blidworth
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Blidworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 23
Piece: 2430
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hopkinson 70***************Army Chelsea Pensioner!!!!!
Susan Hopkinson 67
Elizabeth Godfrey 19

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Feb 2013 13:54

This would explain the varied locations of the children's births - IF it's the right man, of course.

William Hopkinson
United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913
birth 1791 Nottinghamshire
pension United Kingdom


Fuller details can be viewed on FMP........at a price

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Feb 2013 13:46

1841 England Census about Susannah Hopkinson
Name: Susannah Hopkinson
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Blidworth
Hundred: Thurgarton (Southwell Division)
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Mansfield
Sub-registration district: Blidworth
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 865
Book: 16
Folio: 11
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hopkinson 50 b. Nottinghamshire
Susannah Hopkinson 40
James Hopkinson 15 b. Scotland
John Hopkinson 13
Elizabeth Hopkinson 9 b. Ireland
John Frish 5
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?????????


England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: William Hopkinson
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 Jun 1791
Christening Place: Wollaton, Nottinghamshire, England
Father's Name: Francis Hopkinson
Mother's Name: Mary

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Feb 2013 13:33

name: Anne Barge
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 06 Apr 1828
baptism/christening place: FARNSFIELD,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND

father's name: William Barge
mother's name: Elizabeth

indexing project (batch) number: C04470-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 503493, 504093

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Feb 2013 13:28

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Susan Hopkinson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1871
Age at Death: 22
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 157

Reggie

Reggie Report 12 Feb 2013 13:12

In 1871, Ann was a widow, with a 4 month old child among her family.

So, assuming that her husband fathered the baby, you have a very narrow time-scale in which to look for his death.

And the age at death will be on the index

EDIT

Sorry, Potty, didn't see your advice when I was typing..............

Possibility ONLY...............

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: John Hopkinson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1867
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 122

I have to say I'm suspicious about the 4 month old.............was he perhaps Susan's child? He was born in Southwell.......

It might be worth posting a request on Wendy's thread which kindly offers Notts lookups.................his baptism record may prove enlightening

Potty

Potty Report 12 Feb 2013 12:04

Ann is shown as a widow on the image in 1871 - two children have been born since 1861 and the youngest, John, is only 4 months. If John was the father, then that cuts down the search period for John snr's death - but there is an 8 year gap between the two youngest children.

Ian

Ian Report 11 Feb 2013 22:30

Reggie,

Just picked something up which i think i missed the other day - you posted about John hopkinson being married to Ann in the 1861 census, but then in 1871 she appears with the children but no John - can i take it that he probably died between 1861 and 1871? as i cant find him anywhere in 1871

Ian

Ian Report 11 Feb 2013 22:07

ok at least that will help.

I am working nights from today so will not be so active on here over the next week or so.

Hope to catch up with you guys again as soon as i can.

Ian

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 22:44

Not quite.........

English/Welsh marriage certs name only the fathers

Ian

Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 21:20

So i guess if i get james and betsy's marriage cert, it will give me their parents names, and if i then go on to buy their parents marriage certificate this will give me their parents names too and so on?

Ian

Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 21:02

Error in post

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Feb 2013 16:53

(if relating?)

Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Carrington
Church St John
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 08 Aug 1894
Forename Albert
Sex M
FatherForename James
MotherForename Betsy
FatherSurname HOPKINSON
MotherSurname
Abode Bank Terr
FatherOccupation Shoe Maker

Chris :)


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

(from above link)

Ian

Ian Report 10 Feb 2013 13:32

''Good luck with your search and do come back if you need more help - and thank you for staying around to read the posts - most threads get an answer very quickly and it is very frustrating for helpers when people post and run!''

No problem - im not one to post and then not come back. Im 100% into this and am grateful for all the help im getting!

Roy - yes i have noticed errors in transcription already, although it didnt relate to my family i found somebody born in Edwardstone Notts, and there is no such place. On the original it read Edwinstowe!

Reggie - i will go ahead and buy the certificate to be sure!

This is great!

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 13:16

This is from freebmd

Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Black Elizabeth Annie Nottingham 7b 406
HOLLAND Betsy Nottingham 7b 406
HOPKINSON James Nottingham 7b 406
KNIGHT Robert William Nottingham 7b 406

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Feb 2013 13:09

The evidence of census returns indicates that James' father was not William, although his grandfather probably was.

To be 100% sure, you should buy James and Betsy's marriage cert

TIP

You found the man in 1911..............his birth year was recorded as c1862.

That is what you work on..............

The census info (and the baptism) which I posted were found on Ancestry