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England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Hosier
Name note -
Marriage year 1873
Marriage date 02 Nov 1873
Marriage place Birmingham
Spouse's first name(s) Charles
Spouse's last name Cane
County Warwickshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

This looks like the son Thomas in hospital:

Thomas Cain
in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930
Name: Thomas Cain
Birth Date: 1879
Admission Age: 10
Admission Date: 13 Dec 1889
Record Type: Admission
Borough: Camden
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead
Place: London, England
Title: Register of Workhouse Sick Wards, 1887-1890


Father: Charles Cain, 41 Fleet Road, Hampstead.
Brought in to the Receiving Ward, by PC591




Birth:

CAIN, THOMAS JOSEPH mms HOSIER
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 654 Order

Birmingham! What was they doing there?! Oh thats amazing! Thank you so much Safc!

Oh poor Thomas! I wonder what was wrong with him? :-(

Ah sadly upon looking into the marriage certificate the grooms father is listed as Solomon which wasn't Charles's fathers name.. im now slightly worried i have got the wrong family :-(

????

Elizabeth Hosier
in the 1871 England Census

Name: Elizabeth Hosier
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Hosier
Mother's name: Mary Hosier
Gender: Female
Where born: Solington
[Islington, Middlesex]
Civil Parish: Hampstead St John
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Hampstead
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 140
Piece: 190
Folio: 79
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Hosier 42
Mary Hosier 43
Elizabeth Hosier 14 - daughter
John Bates 18 - son
Mary Bates 15 - daughter
Henry Bates 11 - son
Ann Bates - daughter (age 8, though not transcribed on Ancestry)
William Bates 6 - son


All the Bates children born Hampstead.

I was working backwards from a Frances M Cain who was born in St Pancras 1915 to Charles William Cain and Mary Ann Bass. I really hope i havent gone wrong. Id be absolutely gutted.

Elizabeth was Joseph's daughter from earlier marriage.

His second marriage:
Marriages Jun 1869 (>99%)
BATES Mary Hampstead 1a 1018
Hosier Joseph Hampstead 1a 1018



Elizabeth Hosier
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Hosier
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Hosier
Mother's name: Elizabeth Hosier
Gender: Female
Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 109
Piece: 146
Folio: 13
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Hosier 31
Elizabeth Hosier 34
Joseph Hosier 13
Elizabeth Hosier 6
Nancy Hosier 10/12
Homer Hosier 6 (actually Thomas mistranscribed)



???
Elizabeth Emma Hosier
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Elizabeth Emma Hosier
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 Nov 1856
Father's name: Joseph Hosier
Mother's name: Elizabeth Hosier
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers


Death of sister Nancy??

Nancy Mary Hosier
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Nancy Mary Hosier
Registration Year: 1862
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 210

Alfred (James) Cain on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Cain Household (3 People) 4 Gilbert Grove , Hendon M.B., Middlesex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Alfred (James) Cain 09 Sep 1914 Male Motor Driver Single 227 3
Charles Cain 06 Jan 1874 Male Builder's Labourer Married 227 1
Mary A Cain 05 Dec 1874 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 227 2

CANE, CHARLES WILLIAM HOSIER Order
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 655

Birth:
HOSIER, ELIZABETH EMMA mms MANSER
GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in THE ISLINGTON DISTRICT Volume 01B Page 258


Parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
Hosier Joseph Edward E London 2 263
Manser Elizabeth E London 2 26

I dont think the Charles Cain i have married Elizabeth Hosier.

Would anyone be able to help me find the correct wife? or even family?

I think it's always best to work backwards, Nadine, from facts that you know and you seem to be doing that. You say you're working back from Frances M. Cain born 1915 to Charles William Cain & Mary Ann Bass. Trouble is I can't find that marriage anywhere.

Sorry she was Mary Ann Hornett when she married a second time to Charles


First Name CHARLES
Last Name CAIN
Gender Male
Year 1895
Spouse
Image Quarter 4
Country England
County London
District PANCRAS
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 1B
Page 78
Line Number 91
Entry Number
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
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Charles Cain married one of the people below:

Mary Ann HORNETT
Lucy Elizabeth FELMINGHAM
Eliza COX

OK, got it. He was 22 and she was a widow aged 21.

Mary Ann Hornett

in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
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Name: Mary Ann Hornett
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Age: 21
Spouse: Charles Cain
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Nov 1895
Parish: St Andrew, Haverstock Hill
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Charles Bass
Spouse Father: Charles William Cain
Register Type: Parish Register

So he's definitely the one whose birth I posted earlier, the son of Charles William & Elizabeth and we're back to square one, Elizabeth's maiden name?

Edit: Oops, looking back I don't think I posted it.


Charles William Cain

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
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Name: Charles William Cain
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 May 1874
Father's name: Charles William Cain
Mother's name: Elizabeth Cain
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St John
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 6 Jan. 1874.

Safc posted the GRO entry today at 17:33, showing Charles William's mother's maiden name as Hosier.

Only problem with that one ArgyllGran is that the marriage between Charles William Cain and Elizabeth Hosier has Charles's father listed Soloman Cain when my Charles's father is Charles William Cain (snr)

Thanks MargaretM for that info!

Am I missing something here? How do you know, Nadine, that the father of Charles William on the marriage to Elizabeth Hosier is listed as Solomon? Also is this not the marriage of Charles William Sr.?