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Why do things have to get complicated? I think that I have found the family of Harry Bardsley. On the Marriage cert his father is given as Robert Bardsley, a "Journeyman carpenter", deceased. The 1891 census shows Robert living in Ashton-under-Lyne. He is described as a Joiner., born 1851. His wife is Fanny, also born 1851, and among the family is Harry, born 1877, aged 14, but married. Must be a mistake there. In the 1901 census his year of birth is given as 1876. All assistance gratefully received. Without all your help I would not have got as far as I have so far.

I hope you've checked the census IMAGE ;-) ;-)

It's simply a mistake, which has been rectified - informally-, although marriage was legal for that age in those days.................check online info



Make a note of the following free site
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

BARDSLEY, HARRY STONES
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 466 Occasional Copy: A

Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
BARDSLEY Robert Ashton 8d 879
STONES Fanny Ashton 8d 879

Name Robert Bardsley...............Occ: Cabinet Maker
Gender Male
Birth Year abt 1851
Marriage Age 24
Marriage Date 6 Oct 1875
Marriage Place Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire, England
Church Methodist New Connexion, Stamford Street
Father Name Isaac Bardsley
Spouse Name Fanny Stones
Spouse Marriage Age 24
Spouse Father Name Samuel Stones

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
26, King Street, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Bardsley Head Married Male 30 1851 Joiner Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Fanny Bardsley Wife Married Female 30 1851 - Hurst, Lancashire, England
Harry Bardsley Son Single Male 4 1877 - Hurst, Lancashire, England


BARDSLEY, HARRY STONES
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 466 Occasional Copy: A

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
36, Church Street, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Isaac Bardsley Head Married Male 49 1812 Labourer Ashton, Lancashire, England
Ann Bardsley Wife Married Female 47 1814 Labourers wife Ashton, Lancashire, England
Jane Bardsley Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1842 Cotton weaver Ashton, Lancashire, England
Mary Bardsley Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1847 Cotton weaver Ashton, Lancashire, England
John Bardsley Son Unmarried Male 12 1849 Silk piecer Ashton, Lancashire, England
Robert Bardsley Son Unmarried Male 10 1851 Scholar Ashton, Lancashire, England
Hannah Ford Cousin Unmarried Female 56 1805 - Ashton, Lancashire, England
William Parkin Boarder Unmarried Male 1 1860 - Ashton, Lancashire, England

Name Jane Lord Bardsley
Gender Female
Birth Year abt 1842
Marriage Age 24
Marriage Date 17 Nov 1866
Marriage Place Ashton, Lancashire, England
Church Methodist New Connexion Chapel, Stamford Street
Father Name Isaac Bardsley
Spouse Name James Smith Pendlebury
Spouse Marriage Age 24
Spouse Father Name Jonathan Pendlebury



BARDSLEY, JANE LOND SAXON
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 10


Marriages Dec 1840 (>99%)
BARDSLEY Isaac Stockport 19 259
SAXON Ann Stockport 19 259
22nd November at St Mary’s church
Groom’s father JOHN, Occ: Weaver
Bride’s father JAMES, Cotton Spinner


BARDSLEY, JOHN SAXON
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in ASHTON UNDERLYNE Volume 20 Page 9
BARDSLEY, ROBERT SAXON
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in ASHTONUNDERLYNE Volume 20 Page 12

Some of Ashton-under-Lyne is among the missing Census 'pieces' for 1851, so not all info available for that year

STONES, FANNY CARTER
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in ASHTONUNDERLYNE Volume 20 Page 13

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Church Street, Ashton-Under-Lyne, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Samuel Stones Head Married Male 31 1820 Joiner cabinet maker Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Sarah Stones Wife Married Female 27 1824 Illegible Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
John Stones Son - Male 5 1846 At home Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Stones Dau - Female 2 1849 At home Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Fanny Stones Dau - Female 3 1848 At home Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England


STONES, ELIZABETH ANN CARTER
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in ASHTONUNDERLYNE Volume 20 Page 79

STONES, JOHN CARTER
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 11

Name Samuel Stone...................Cabinet Maker
Marriage Date 3 Jan 1845
Parish Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name Thomas Stone...................Labourer
Spouse's Name Sarah Carter
Spouse's Father's Name Isaac Carter.......................Spinner
Witnesses: Samuel Rowland and Frances Carter

I have just ordered the marriage cert for Amy Bardsley and John Stevenson, and the death cert for Amy Stevenson.

Any chance of some feedback regarding the BARDSLEY info on this page????????

Yes, certainly. Not much so far, but it is not a branch that I will be looking too closely at. Harry Bardsley married Amy Spencer in March 1916. The exact date is indistinct. They had one child, Alec H. Bardsley, who sadly died aged 2 months. Harry was ten years older than Amy, and he obviously died some time before 1936, as Amy married John Stevenson in 1936. Amy herself died in 1954. At least, that is what I think, but the certificates will prove it one way or the other. I am hoping to find children of either husband's, in the hope of finding living descendants who may remember Amy. Thanks once again for all your help.

There was only one child of the marriage to Bardsley, and by the time she married Stevenson, she was nearly 50.....................

Amy is in a couple of GR trees other than yours..................try making contact

I made contact with them a couple of years ago. One very productive, the other not so. We have met up with a second cousin of my wife through GR.

Well, that has muddied the waters somewhat. The Death cert for Amy Stevenson arrived today, and her death was reported by L. Sills, her sister. I am fairly certain that her sister Lily died unmarried. So I probably have the wrong Amy. More checking necessary.

Edwin Sills m Lily Spencer in 1934. You will find it on freebmd

You said you'd ordered the Stevenson marriage cert...............when it arrives, you will have more clarity

1939 Register
77 Broomhill Road, Nottingham, Nottingham C.B., Nottinghamshire, England

Edwin T Sills 21 Sep 1899 Male Bus Driver Married 148 1
Lily Sills 04 Sep 1898 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 148 2

How did I miss that? Another certificate to send off for.

Wait until you get the Stevenson one.......................

According to the death cert, Amy was living at 44 Broomhill Rd at the time of her death, as was her sister Lily. Actually, that might be 77.