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double wammy on housing benefit

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Muffyxx Report 31 Mar 2013 00:02

They are still screwing the ones who did buy the overpriced houses Maggie...we're not immune from this at all !!!


maggiewinchester Report 31 Mar 2013 00:09

I know Muffy. Everyone who isn't a millionaire is (apparently ) scum.
Oh for a time when empathy is a virtue, not a foible :-S


ChAoTicintheNewYear Report 31 Mar 2013 11:12

Muffy, I'll apologise to you.

For years, both in rl and on the internet, I've heard people say that sometimes implying that those who haven't have squandered other times coming right out and saying it.

I use other websites too and in the last couple of weeks especially there have been threads benefit bashing, using Daily Mail examples, (that is the paper not the readers), to generalise about how all those on benefits are scroungers/spongers. I'm afraid this thread was the one that bore the brunt, where I lost patience and ended up snapping at you. I'm sorry for snapping at you.

I do know where you're coming from. I have a relative who bought at a bad time and is now in negative equity. For many years successive governments have targeted the middle, making things harder.

I suspect this government is using the worldwide recession to set the w/c and m/c against each other. While we're all busy having a go at each other they can target us all leaving their rich friends laughing.


Muffyxx Report 31 Mar 2013 11:28

You don't need to apologise to me's fine...I'm just glad I haven't offended you x


ChAoTicintheNewYear Report 31 Mar 2013 12:10

No, not offended :-) not by you anyway.

There are a few other's who are making me wish I was in a position to wave a magic wand so I could show them, if only for a short while, just what it's like to live on benefits. Some people have no empathy whatsoever.


OneFootInTheGrave Report 31 Mar 2013 13:52

I do not fully subscribe to much of the benefit bashing and nation of scroungers being fuelled in the popular right wing press.

I know many people who are on benefits or have been on benefits and most never believed that they would ever be in that situation.

In the late 1980's and early 1990's I was renting a house in a residential area of Bromley where many of my neighbours were in decent paid jobs in the City of London, when the recession following Black Monday in October 1987 struck. The events that followed began to take there toll as Stock Markets and Financial Institutions around the world were hit hard resulting in many people losing their jobs, including quite a few of my neighbours.

House prices were hit hard and a lot of my neighbours who lost their jobs also found that the value of their homes had fallen and their mortgage were now more that the value of their house.

They were out of work and struggling to male ends meet, so they claimed benefits, my local councillor said to me at the time that she had never known so many people in the area to be out of work and never seen so many For Sale signs, she had lived in that area for over 30 years. I do not recall the popular right wing press at the time calling people scroungers etc.

I accept that there are people defrauding the system, there are people who do not want to work, but in my opinion that is the minority, and it is right that they should be targeted to stop them abusing the system.

However, the majority are where they are at the moment, because of circumstances beyond their control, they would be over the moon to be able to get a proper job and the chance to get their foot on the housing ladder.


RolloTheRed Report 31 Mar 2013 14:19

"The housing ladder" is one great ponzi scheme which is encouraged by governments of all stripes as it is the main source of tax and employment.

Any rational person would not confuse investment / savings with where they lay their head but that is just what most Brits believe. fwiw Australia has the same mania.

Just in case rational persons decide not to tie themselves up in a mortgage the private rental market is rigged. Further rigging goes on with artificial restriction on building land and the availability of mortgages.

The best quick n cheap reform I can think of is to make it tax attractive to landlords to offer fixed term 5 / 10 year rentals rather than 6 months.

Other reforms which would drag the English housing market into reality would be:

scrap stamp duty tax,
charge capital gains on sale ( as most countries do at between 2 and 8% ),
scrap grabbing proceeds of house sales to fund social care,
force buy to let mortgages to include capital repayment and demand a 10% cash deposit
stop regarding every blade of grass in SE England as green belt
mortgages limited to 15 years and realistic ability to pay
dump inheritance tax below £ 1 million.
stop the war on second homes ( except for full council tax )
MPs not allowed to charge mortgages against parliamentary expenses ; rent only

Of course such changes would soon have the housing market heading way south, banks collapsing all over again as mortgage assets shrink in value and riots as a discontented populace realized that residential mortgages are a ponzi con.

The upside of course would be millions of affordable houses and far less need for social housing. But then how do you get from here to there ? Collapsed ponzi schemes always have a great many losers. Ask Cyprus.

So the mad scheme continues to continue sucking the life out of the British economy.

Margaret Thatcher's chickens will be long with us.