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William Rae, Lillian KR Rae, Frederick Freemantle.

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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 6 May 2013 17:21

possible marriage for Alison and an address sent

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 6 May 2013 17:06

I see the children were born in different areas .When were the family know to be in Surrey<

Who was the informant on Lillian's death cert

Name: Lillian Kathleen R Tippell
Birth Date: 9 Aug 1905
Date of Registration: Feb 1985
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Surrey Northern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 372

Colin

Colin Report 6 May 2013 14:21

Hi Shirley
I have just discovered that my Margaret Freemantle married a John H Baker in Aldershot in 1948 and not Wiliam Haywood as I previously thought. They had 4 children Michael, Christopher, Alison and Rosemary and resided in Cobham, Surrey for a while. I have not managed to identify a death record for her or her husband because their names are quite common but she would be 87 years old today. Any ideas for further research?
Colin

Colin

Colin Report 24 Apr 2013 13:35

Shirley
Thanks for the info.
I am not worried about the differing intials because I have come across this before. However I shall probably have to order a copy of the marriage certificate to be absolutely certain its my Margaret.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Apr 2013 10:50

That record is for a Margaret P J Freemantle she was just Margaret P .

spouse william g Haywood

Colin

Colin Report 23 Apr 2013 20:05

Hi Shirley
I have found a potential marriage in Findmypast of a Margaret P Freemantle in Epping, Essex in 1969 but I am not sure if it is the right person and who her husband was. Unfortunately it has not yet been transcribed in FreeBMD.
Regards
Colin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 21 Apr 2013 13:45

The incoming ones are on Ancestry The outward ones on Find my Past

Colin

Colin Report 21 Apr 2013 10:04

Hi Shirley
From the shipping records you have found, it looks as though Margaret elected to be with her "father" after his marital break-up rather than her mother. Frederick's lone trip to Durban (Port Natal) South Africa in 1954 may therefore have been to be nearer Margaret
If Margaret got married or died in South Africa, it will be very difficult to trace this as I think South African records are unindexed. Correct me if I am wrong.
Can you also tell me where you obtained the shipping records you have kindly outlined for me above.
Regards
Colin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Apr 2013 15:40

No he wasnt her father. She was reg as surname Rae . would guess her birth cert doesnt show a fathers name. Fred though "took" her on when he married Lillian.

It seems she stayed with him too as they came back together in 1945. Perhaps Liilian had left them . Margaret by then was 20 so would have made her own mind up.

not seeing any marriage for Margaret as Rae or Freemanltle.maybe she never married.
She may have died post 2005/6 which is the last records you can find online , This is why i suggested she may have been an informant on the later certs

Colin

Colin Report 19 Apr 2013 15:10

Hi Shirley
I must correct Item 3) in an earlier post.
I do not think now that Frederick Freemantle was Margaret's father.
Margaret was born in St Albans in 1925 at least 3 years before Frederick and Lillian got married.
Regards
Colin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 18 Apr 2013 11:09

So as she remarried Fred then went to Southa Africa.

Wonder if Margaret was a witness on her marriage,or on her death cert

Colin

Colin Report 18 Apr 2013 10:38

Hi Shirley,
Since my last post I have found some interesting new information.
Lillian did not die in Palestine as you suspected. She obviously divorced Frederick and married an Edwin A Tippell in Wandsworth in Mar 1954 under her maiden name. She subsequently died in Surrey North in Feb 1985
However I have not discovered any new info about her daughter Margaret so the search goes on.
Kindest regards
Colin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Apr 2013 06:41

She died in WW2 and is listed on the CWGC site as a civilian casuality.

Would guess as the result of her home being bombed.as she died at home.You would need her cert for the details



St. George's Chapel in Westminster Abbey
Of the many civilians of the Commonwealth whose deaths were due to enemy action in the 1939-1945 War, the names of some 67,092 are commemorated in the Civilian War Dead Roll of Honour, located near St. George's Chapel in Westminster Abbey, London.

Colin

Colin Report 16 Apr 2013 22:46

Shirley
It has taken me a bit of time to digest all the information you have found.
I note that you said that Lillie Cain was a WW2 casualty. Where did you get this info from? Or did you just mean that she died during the war?
Colin

Colin

Colin Report 16 Apr 2013 22:10

Well done, Shirley. I should have known that her surname was probably Rae after I said above that she was born before the couple got married. I wonder if Frederick was the father and what the P stands for.
Colin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 20:40

Looks a strong possibility seeing as Fred &Lillian married in St Albans


Name: Margaret P Rae
Mother's Maiden Surname: Rae
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1925
Registration district: St Albans
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1163

Colin

Colin Report 16 Apr 2013 20:09

Shirley
I suppose they could have split up or travelled separately. However I do note that on his 1954 sailing to South Africa, Frederick's marital status is left blank.
So far I haven't found many records of a Margaret Freemantle in any of the usual sources.
Colin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 19:18

No Colin that about what I have concluded .
It looks that Lillian died abroad pre 1946 because Fred &Margaret came home without her

Wonder if Margaret married and stayed in the U K

Colin

Colin Report 16 Apr 2013 19:14

Hi Shirley
Thanks most sincerely for the large amount of information you have managed to find.
Frederick and Lillian were obviously a well-travelled couple.
From the new information you have obtained, I think we can glean that;:-
1) Frederick Freemantle was born in 1897
2) He was an electrical engineer by profession
3) He and Lillian had a daughter named Margaret who was born c1925 probably before the couple got married. Her place of birth is as yet unknown.
4) Lillian appears to have died sometime between 1938 and 1954 in a place as yet unknown
5) Frederick appears to have emigrated to South Africa in 1954 after he had retired.
Can you add anything to this?
Regards
Colin

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Apr 2013 13:39

further travel info
Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript

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Name: Fred FREEMANTLE
Date of departure: 15 August 1924
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Demerara
Destination country: Guyana (British Guiana)
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 27
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Elect Engr
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 2
Ship: NAVIGATOR
Official Number: 135575
Master's name: I Mowat
Steamship Line: Harrison
Where bound: West Indies
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 2404
Passengers on voyage: 1


Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript

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Name: Frederick FREEMANTLE
Date of departure: 6 October 1928
Port of departure: Avonmouth
Destination port: Port of Spain (Trinidad)
Destination country: West Indies
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 31
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Govt Officer
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 4 of 8
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Lillian FREEMANTLE
Margaret FREEMANTLE
Ship: CAVINA
Official Number: 147896
Master's name: A D Riseley



Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript

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Name: Frederick FREEMANTLE
Date of departure: 25 February 1932
Port of departure: London
Destination port: Demerara
Destination country: Guyana (British Guiana)
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 35
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Electric Eng
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 3
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Lillian K FREEMANTLE
Margaret FREEMANTLE
Ship: INGOMA
Official Number: 135475
Master's name: R Richardson
Steamship Line: Harrison
Where bound: Demerara, Guyana (British Guiana)
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 3565.64
Passengers on voyage: 26


travelled out again in 1954
Britain: outbound passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 - person transcript


Name: Frederick FREEMANTLE
Date of departure: 17 July 1954
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: Durban (Port Natal)
Destination country: South Africa
Date of Birth: 1897 (calculated from age)
Age: 57
Marital Status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Retired
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 4
Ship: CLAN ROBERTSON
Official Number: 185012
Master's name: Capt A Redford
Steamship Line: The Clan Line Steamers Limited
Where bound: South Africa
Square feet:
Registered tonnage: 7878
Passengers on voyage: 10
Home address "woodcroft" Leesons Hill Chislehurst Kent

Intending to live in South Africa