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Training Ship "EXMOUTH"

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Daniel

Daniel Report 19 Feb 2014 20:41

Was wondering if anyone knows about a training ship called exmouth, docked in grays, essex 1914. my great great grandad thomas hudson was a officer and that's all i know, trying to find out about him if he went to war, his death ect ect. but have no lead.

Can anyone help with info!!!

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Feb 2014 21:10

How have you arrived at his name ?

Do you have a document dated 1914 if so what ?

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 19 Feb 2014 21:17

There is quite a lot to read about the Exmouth if you google it.

Daniel

Daniel Report 19 Feb 2014 21:59

Hi all yes I have a birth certificate for my great grandad born in November 1914 and it says his father was Thomas Hudson and his occupation was an officer on a training ship "exmouth". But then ww1 broke out and I was told he died in november 1914 battle of Ypres same month his son was born and further lead to believe his wife had other children in 1917 1920 1926 with the surname Hudson and was wondering how this is as he died unless he didn't die, she married another Hudson or something. I am well in a pickle. I've seen Thomas's name on grays war memorial in Essex but don't know if it is him or not??? Any help on these topics would be great many thanks

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Feb 2014 22:06

So when and where did he marry ?

The maiden name of the wife will be on the birth cert

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 19 Feb 2014 22:16

Only 1 sailor named Thomas Hudson's listed on the CWGC web site for 1914 and he is not an officer

HUDSON, THOMAS
Rank:Able SeamanService No:179557Date of Death:22/09/1914Age:36Regimen t/Service:Royal Navy (RFR/CH/B/3043). H.M.S. "Hogue." Panel Reference2.MemorialCHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:

Son of the late John and Clementina Hudson; husband of Sarah Maud Hudson, of 38, Field St., Bicester, Oxon. Awarded China Medal, 1900.

This Thomas is on Findmypast as a death at sea

Roy

Daniel

Daniel Report 19 Feb 2014 22:45

Thanks Roy very interesting but Thomas's wife was Ada Ann Hyde.

Dan Hudson

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Feb 2014 23:10

1911 so is this him ?

Name: Thomas Hudson
Age in 1911: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ulverston In Furness
Civil Parish: Grays Thurrock County/Island: Essex Country: England
Street address: 30 Benson Road, Grays, Thurrock, Sx
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: ships Fireman
Registration district: Orsett Registration District Number: 192 Sub-registration district: Grays ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household schedule number: 72 Piece: 9967 Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hudson 28
Ada Ann Hudson 23
May Elizabeth Ann Hudson 4
James Francis Hudson 2
Henry William Hudson 2/12
Theresa Ann Hyde 52
John Francis Hyde 30
Christopher Robert Hyde 20

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 19 Feb 2014 23:14

Have you ruled out the possible death in 1918 in Yorkshire

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Feb 2014 00:29

re your question as to the children born after 1914 ....................


it's quite simple .................

The child of a married woman is assumed to be the child of her husband, whether or not he is alive or dead. That is, unless the birth father allows his name to be put on the certificate ............ in which case he had to be present at the time of registration.


So ......... if Thomas Hudson did die in 1914, and she had further children, they are illegitimate, but have been assigned HER surname which was legally the name of her husband.



To find out more, you would have to buy the relevant birth certificates, and see what has been entered on them re the father.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Feb 2014 00:34

I'm puzzled ..........................

Thomas Hudson was presumably a sailor, if he was an officer on board the training ship "Exmouth"


Were sailors involved in the land battles, such as Ypres??????????????????


what would he have been doing there?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Feb 2014 08:03

Looks like Ada never remarried

Name: Ada Ann Hudson
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1888
Date of Registration: Dec 1971
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Thurrock
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 2877

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Feb 2014 08:05

No way of knowing if this was him

HUDSON, THOMAS

Rank:
Driver
Service No:
59623
Date of Death:
30/10/1914
Regiment/Service:
Royal Field Artillery

105th Bty. 22nd Bde.
Panel Reference
Panel 5 and 9.
Memorial
YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Additional Information:

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Feb 2014 08:08

marriage
Name: Thomas Hudson
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1906
Registration district: Orsett
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 542
Records on Page:
Thomas Hudson
Ada Ann Hyde

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Feb 2014 08:12

Get one of these birth certs to see if Thomas is named as dad

Name: John T Hudson
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hyde
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917
Registration district: Orsett
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1041


Name: Francis Hudson
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hyde
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Orsett
Inferred County: Essex, Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1318

Name: Ivy E Hudson
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hyde
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1926
Registration district: Orsett
Inferred County: Essex, Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1029


This will at least tell you if Thomas was still alive or not


Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Feb 2014 08:42

1911 (FMP)
HUDSON, Thomas Head Married M 28 1883 Ship's Fireman (Worker) Ulverston in Furness
HUDSON, Ada Ann Wife Married5 years F 23 1888 Tilbury Essex
HUDSON, May Elizabeth Ann Daughter F 4 1907 Tilbury Essex
HUDSON, James Francis Son M 2 1909 Tilbury Essex
HUDSON, Henry William Son M 0 (9 WEEKS) 1911 Grays Essex
HYDE, Theresa Ann Mother In Law Married F 52 1859 London E St Georges
HYDE, John Francis Brother In Law Single M 30 1881 Ship's Fireman Stepney London
HYDE, Christopher Robert Brother In Law Single M 20 1891 Cook's Assistant (Shipping) Tilbury Essex
RG number: RG14
Piece: 9967
Reference: RG14PN9967 RG78PN524 RD192 SD1 ED16 SN72
Registration District: Orsett
Sub District: Grays
Enumeration District: 16
Parish: Grays Thurrock
Address: 30 Benson Road Grays Thurrock
County: Essex


Marriages Mar 1906 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------
Hudson Thomas Orsett 4a 542
HYDE Ada Ann Orsett 4a 542

(also, do you have his Occupation details from above Cert.?)


Soldiers Died in the Great War1914-1919 (Find My Past)
Name: Thomas HUDSON
Rank: DVR.
Initials: T
Birthplace: Walworth, Surrey
Place of residence:
Enlisted: London
Regiment, Corps etc.: Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery
Battalion etc.:
Number: 59623
Date died: 30 October 1914
How died: Killed in action
Theatre of war: France & Flanders

(the one posted above)

Chris :)

1901 (Ada)
HYDE, Theresa Head Married F 40 1861 Laundress
St Georges, London
HYDE, John Son Single M 20 1881 Deal Porter
Stepney, London
HYDE, Theresa Daughter Single F 18 1883 Laundress
Limehouse, London
HYDE, Caroline Daughter Single F 15 1886 Laundress
Stepney, London
HYDE, Ada Daughter Single F 13 1888
Tilbury, Essex
HYDE, Christopher Son Single M 10 1891
Tilbury, Essex
GUDGEON, Julia Mother Widow F 49 1852
Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Piece: 1661
Folio: 103
Page: 44
Registration District: Orsett
Civil Parish: Chadwell St Mary
Municipal Borough:
Address: 29, Montreal Road, Chadwell St Mary, Tilbury
County: Essex

1891
HYDE, Robert L Head Married M 34 1857 Dock Labourer
Stepney, London
HYDE, Theresa A Wife Married F 32 1859
St George's, London
HYDE, John Son M 10 1881
Mile End, London
HYDE, Theresa Daughter F 8 1883
Limehouse, London
HYDE, Caroline Daughter F 4 1887
Limehouse, London
HYDE, Ada Daughter F 3 1888
Tilbury, Essex
HYDE, Christopher Son M 0 (9M) 1891
Tilbury, Essex
Piece: 1379
Folio: 55
Page: 39
Registration District: Orsett
Civil Parish: Chadwell St Mary
Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Selwyn Road, Chadwell St Mary
County: Essex

Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------
HYDE Ada Ann Orsett 4a 397


http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

(above for BMD's)

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 20 Feb 2014 08:51

Daniel, You have been asked to delete the duplicate threads

Why have you not done so?

I would seriously question the information you have been given,

you say Thomas's birth cert states, "occupation was an officer on a training ship exmouth"...........Does it also state Deceased?

If Thomas died just before the birth of a son why was that son not named after his deceased father?
The new born son's birth was not registered until the march quarter 1915 so registered in 1915 (ref my question Does it also state Deceased? )

Their are also no further marriages listed for mum Ada and looking at the pattern of births they are fairly regular with the gap between the 1920 and 1926 birth being the only one that stands out,

As sylvia said If Thomas died whilst serving as an Officer in the Navy what was he doing at Ypres?


Roy

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Feb 2014 09:39

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 (Ancestry)
Thomas Hodgson Hudson
Residence:30 Benson Road, Grays Essex (as 1911)
Document Year:1915
Regimental Number:1122
Regiment Name:
Home Counties Howe Bde RGA
Number of Images:20

(quite a bit to read through above, Died 30th Nov. 1916. Effect of Gas?)

Chris :)

HUDSON, T H
Rank:SerjeantService No:1122 Date of Death:30/11/1916 Age:33 Regiment/Service:Royal Field Artillery 223rd Bde. Grave ReferenceIII. D. 15.Cemetery MESNIL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
Additional Information:

Husband of Ada Ann Hudson, of 30, Benson Rd., Grays, Essex.

http://www.cwgc.org/

http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=3258059

http://www.inmemories.com/Cemeteries/mesnilcomext.htm

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 20 Feb 2014 09:51

Good find Chris, So it looks like John T Hudson's was named after his dad and never died in 1914 at Ypres but in 1916 and in the Somme

Roy



Medal card
Reference:
WO 372/10/84354
Description:
Medal card of Hudson, Thomas H
Corps Regiment No Rank
Royal Field Artillery 1122 Acting Serjeant
Date: 1914-1920
Held by: The National Archives, Kew

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 20 Feb 2014 10:21

Not seeing a birth in Ulverston for a Thomas Hodgson Hudson or a Thomas Hudson but their is this

Births Mar 1883
HODGSON Thomas Ulverston 8e 812

he may have adopted the name Hudson, Possibly after a second marriage for his mother?

Or was he illigitimate and then his mother married a Hudson?

There is a Will for him see https://www.gov.uk/probate-search

You can download the will it will cost £6

Roy