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I have a birth cert. for 1856 which states both parents names-dad Thomas Fuller, a valet, Mum Mary Ann Fuller, formerly Knight. Full address given in Southampton. I'm having trouble finding their marriage, and earlier records. In 1871 I have Thomas, born Kennington Middlesex, now an amputee, previously a butler, being looked after by his son, Alfred, in Fareham, Hants. Thomas is dead before 1879 when his son marries, in Marylebone. Nothing on Mary Ann. I do not know how to find definate information on her as there are several in the Fareham area, and no marriage evidence despite looking under various names. Any suggestions welcome.

1861 : Mary A Fuller Age: 36 Birth Year: abt 1825 Servant born: Brighton, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Bishops Waltham Ecclesiastical parish: Bishops Waltham County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Enumerated as married.

1871. Mary A Fuller Age: 43 Birth Year: abt 1828 Servant Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Fareham Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Fareham County/Island: Hampshire Country: England. Again enumerated as married.

1861 Alfred Fuller Age: 4Birth Year: abt 1857 Nurse Child (Nurse) Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Wickham County/Island: Hampshire Country: England

1871.. Alfred with father Thomas. Thomas enumerated as married.

1881.Mary A. Fuller Age:53 Birth Year:abt 1828
Servant (Head) (Servant) Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Kensington County/London
Street address: 31 Onslow Gn
Condition as to marriage: Windower

Thomas is born in Kensington on the image.

Rose

Gena.

Look at the image for 1901 for Alfred. Mary Ann is living next door with Alfred's brother.

1901 England Census
about Mary Ann Fuller
Name: Mary Ann Fuller
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Fulham
Sub registration district: North West Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 123
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Fuller 47
Elizabeth Fuller 45
Isabel Fuller 19
Mary Ann Fuller 76


Rose

Walter Fuller
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Wickham
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Thomas R Knight 28
Jane Knight 23
Walter Fuller 7

Mary Ann in 1841:


1841 England Census
about Mary Ann Knight
Name: Mary Ann Knight
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Gender: Female
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Wickham
Hundred: Titchfield
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Fareham
Sub registration district: Titchfield
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Knight 37
Mary Knight 39
James Knight 14
Mary Ann Knight 16
Caroline Knight 10
Francis Robert Knight 8
Emilly Knight 5
Ellen Knight 4
Izabell Knight 2

Rose

Are you sure that's Mary Ann in 1841? Mary Ann was born in Brighton.

The family members all match up. Francis is Thomas on the image. The mother is listed as being born Hampshire too, but it's Brighton in later censuses.

Rose

Sorry Rose,

You're probably right, as we know the censuses have many mistakes. Lazy scribes/enumerators, householders giving wrong info, it's a wonder we ever find some people, especially in 1841.

I'll leave you to it, it's past my bedtime.

Just a thought, could Mary Ann have been a widow when she married Thomas and therefore married in her previous husband's name? I've searched for a Mary Ann/Thomas marriage, but had no luck.

THANK YOU Libby and Rose for your efforts. Some of the info I've already checked but you have given me lots of other options to persue. I'm currently time poor but will get back to you later today . Thank you again.

Once again, a big thank you, Libby and Rose! I've had fun checking out all the information you provided. Sometimes its very useful to bring in fresh pairs of eyes, especially when sometimes the obvious is staring at you! I still can't find any marriage for Mary Ann and Thomas and it had crossed my mind that she might have been married before. There is also the possibility I might be able to go back another generation thanks to your support.

You're welcome, gina. It was a pleasure. Good luck with your searching. If I find anything more I'll let you know.

Can anyone suggest where I might find information about servant workers on ships?

3 years further on and still struggling with my FULLER brick wall! The only movement is that on Mary Ann Fuller's death certificate it states her husband's occupation as a "ship's steward" which is probably why I can't find him in any census other than 1871. Still haven't found a suitable death for him. I have a couple of other ideas of what he might have been up to but -one thing at a time!

I can't see him on the Crew Lists on findmypast (How on earth did he manage to be a Ship's Steward with a false leg! That must have been hard for him).

Do you think this might be him on the 1861 census. I know the place of birth is different from the 1871, but the family don't seem to be consistent with that detail.

RG number: RG09
Piece: 45
Folio: 71
Page: 20
Reg. District: St George Hanover Square
Sub District: 2 May Fair
Parish: St George Hanover Square
Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: St George Hanover Square
City/Municipal Borough: Westminster
Address: 3, Dean Street, St George Hanover Square, Westminster
County: London

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TREMENHEERE, Hugh S Head Married M 57 1804 Government Commi Home Officer
Gloster, Gloucestershire
TREMENHEERE, Lucy Wife Married F 40 1821 Government Commi Home Officers Wife
Bloomsbury, Middlesex
TREMENHEERE, Florence L Daughter F 2 1859
St George Hanover Square, Middlesex
TREMENHEERE, Evelyn W Daughter F 0 (8M) 1861
St George Hanover Square, Middlesex
FULLER, Thomas Servant Unmarried M 40 1821 Butler
Milton, Hampshire
MELLUISH, William P Servant Unmarried M 15 1846 Page
Starr Cross, Devon
JONES, Elizabeth Servant Widow F 40 1821 Nurse
Oswestry, Shropshire
WHITTOCK, Eliza Servant Unmarried F 20 1841 2nd Nurse
Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire
PORTER, M A Servant Unmarried F 17 1844 Ladys Md
Writtle, Essex
BEECHER, Fanny Servant Unmarried F 27 1834 House Md
Hadlow, Kent
CASSAR, Mary A Servant Married F 46 1815 Cook
Woodbury, Devon

Thank you for your time and interest. Yes, I've also had this under consideration! I've checked this Thomas out and was the one I traced originally but although there are similarities I don't think he is the one. I suspect that in the 1871 census Thomas had recently had his leg amputated and that is why his son was looking after him. I also have wondered if he had returned to work! It is rather amusing but I would love to find out about him. Perhaps it might account for his unknown death as I can't find it on UK records. :-)

another timeline for death of Thomas


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921


Name: Walter Fuller

Age: Full Age

Spouse Name: Elizabeth Spinks

Record Type: Marriage

Event Date: 3 May 1876

Parish: Chelsea Holy Trinity

Borough: Kensington and Chelsea

Father Name: Thomas Fuller (deceased) - occupation Servant

Spouse Father Name: Robert William Spinks

Register Type: Parish Register

(Witnesses - Alfred Fuller and Mary Ann Fuller)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1333260

Many thanks, Choccy, for your help. I have the certificate -bought prior to the info being on-line! I really don't know where to look next! There are no family anecdotes related to this family branch either.