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Middy

Middy Report 11 Jul 2009 10:33

Hi, just looking for some help with regards to Birth Certificates, I recently obtained what I thought was my Great Grandad's B/C, however his dad's name on the certificate was not the same - so wrong certificate, how can I tell before I order a certificate whether it is the right one.

The details we have are that his full name is James Henry Bridger, born 1875 July/August/September - his fathers full name is Henry James Bridger (died before 1902) - the certificate we got which is wrong shows the fathers name as Henry Charles Bridger which is incorrect.

Any ideas would be great

Thanks

James Henry Bridger

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 11 Jul 2009 10:41

You can request a certificate stating the father's name and if it doesn't match they will refund part of the money.

Was an ocupation given for his father on the marriage cert?

Where was your James Henry born?

Christine

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 11 Jul 2009 10:48

Is this him in 1891?

1891 England Census
about James H Bridger
Name: James H Bridger
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: East Peckham, Kent, England

Civil parish: Frindsbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Frindsbury
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:


Registration district: Strood
Sub-registration district: Strood
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Bridger 47
Charlotte Bridger 50
Emily Bridger 23
James H Bridger 15
William Wood 15

If so then I think this will be the birth reg.

Births Jun 1876 (>99%

BRIDGER James Henry Malling 2a 55_

The full numbers are not given, they must be difficult to read.
I've just checked the image on Ancestry and it looks as if it should be 550.

Christine

Middy

Middy Report 11 Jul 2009 10:52

Hi Christine

I got the certificate via St. Caths.com - when I tried to do another search and advised on the additional notes the full name of his father so not to get the original again - once the search came back I e-mailed to query the fathers name before we ordered and they said that they could not advise whether it was correct or not - didn't mention anything about a partial refund on the original one either.

James Henry was born in Lambeth - his dad's occupation on James Henry's marriage certificate seems to indicate Seaman (the end part is missing so cannot say for definiate but first three letters look like Sea)

Thanks Christine x

Sliwowski

Sliwowski Report 11 Jul 2009 10:55

Number should read

AMJ 1876 Malling 2a 550

Sliwowski

Sliwowski Report 11 Jul 2009 11:01

This is the only James Bridger born in Lambeth 1872-1877

Births Sep 1875 (>99%)
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BRIDGER James Henry Lambeth 1d 400


If this isn't the certificate you already have order it from here

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 11 Jul 2009 11:04

Have you found him on any census with his parents?

Christine

Sliwowski

Sliwowski Report 11 Jul 2009 11:11

Household Record 1881 British Census

Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household


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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James BRIDGES Head M Male 26 Newington, Surrey, England Greengrocer
Emma BRIDGES Wife M Female 27 Foncet, Norfolk, England
James BRIDGES Son Male 6 Lambeth, Surrey, England Scholar
Emma BRIDGES Daur Female 3 Lambeth, Surrey, England
Alfred BRIDGES Son Male 9 m Lambeth, Surrey, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 148 East St
Census Place Lambeth, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341136
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0596 / 7
Page Number 9

Heather

Heather Report 11 Jul 2009 11:14

SORRY, but how much did you pay for that cert? You should be paying no more than £7 when you use a gro ref from GRO online.


EEK, just looked at that site you mention, St Caths!!! They are charging for searches of bmd??? You can do that free on freebmd.org AND they charge nearly £15 for a cert - DONT USE THEM AGAIN!!

Hazel, read the Tips for New Members - you are being conned by that site. All they are doing is ordering the cert from GRO and charging you extra for doing it!

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 11 Jul 2009 11:20

I'm having problems trying to identify one born in Lambeth.

What is the name of the mother on the cert you have to try and find that one and eliminate him.

Christine

Sliwowski

Sliwowski Report 11 Jul 2009 11:35

Address to look for Birth, Marriage and Death records for free

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

Middy

Middy Report 11 Jul 2009 11:38

Hi Heather - glad I posted this now, can't believe I can get the certificate cheaper - glad I have only ordered the one from them (and that was wrong!) - so grateful for any tips

In answer to the other questions, have only found James Henry Bridger on the 1911 Census, can't find anything else.

I have a copy of his marriage Certificate - he was married to Nelly Bales on May 4th 1902 in Lambeth. His dad Henry James Bridger and her dad Henry William Bales were both deceased at this point.

James Henry Bridger resided at 48 Wickham Street
Nelly Bales (mother's name is Rebecca Bales nee Stevenson) resided at 3 Hunt Street.

Thanks xxx

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 11 Jul 2009 12:00

Sorry for all the questions but what was James Henry's occupation on his marriage cert?

I presume he gives Lambeth as his birth place in 1911. Were any of the witnesses from the Bridgers family?

Also the mothers name on the wrong cert please.

Have to go out now but will take a look later.

Christine

Middy

Middy Report 11 Jul 2009 12:09

Hi Christine

No problems with the questions, really glad for all your help.

James Henry Bridger's occupation shown on the marriage cert is Labourer.
Witnessess were Henry Bales (not her father as he was deceased so presume another relation) and Alice Bales - no Bridger's were witnessess.

The wrong mother and father names on the certificate already received are Henry Charles and Sarah Maria.

Hope this is OK

Many Thanks xx

mgnv

mgnv Report 11 Jul 2009 12:32

Carole's initial post implies a 1902 marr -

Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
>>Bales Nelly Lambeth 1d 631
>>Bridger James Henry Lambeth 1d 631
Severn William Charles Lambeth 1d 631
Smith Sarah Jane Lambeth 1d 631

There's only one Nelly Bridger living in Lambeth 1911, and Lambeth=rd25, so we can search for all folk living with Nelly Bridger with a census ref of rd25.

HOUSEHOLD BRIDGER JAMES HENRY M 1876 35 Lambeth London
HOUSEHOLD BRIDGER NELLY F 1875 36 Lambeth London
HOUSEHOLD BRIDGER JAMES HENRY M 1903 8 Lambeth London
HOUSEHOLD BRIDGER WILLIAM THOMAS M 1906 5 Lambeth London

A couple of further searches show pob=Lambeth for the 3 guys, but not for Nelly

Heather

Heather Report 11 Jul 2009 12:55

Hazel, not read all through this - supposed to be working - but if the father were deceased and died when the boy was young, it may well be the son confused his name. So dont discard the cert immediately. I had one with the wrong first name for dad but the right surname - he had used his step fathers first name. People didnt delve much into the past back then, deaths were frequent and you had to move on, it may well be dads name was never mentioned to the son as he grew up.

Oh, Ive bumped up the thread on Tips for New members for you to read through. Basic stuff but obviously could have saved your first cert costing double :)

Sliwowski

Sliwowski Report 11 Jul 2009 14:47

A possible

Deaths Sep 1881 (>99%)
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Bridges Henry James 34 Lambeth 1d 294

Sliwowski

Sliwowski Report 11 Jul 2009 14:53

Possible 1901 if he was known as Henry rather than James in his younger years


Address 48 Wickham St
Civil Parish Lambeth
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Peter Vauxhall
Parliamentary Borough or Division Kennington Division Lambeth
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Lambeth Borough
Administrative County London

Householder 1
Name Henry Bridger
Relation to Head of Family S Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 25
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Barmel Washer ...
Employment Status
Where Born London Lambeth
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Charles Ing
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 21
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Glass Blower
Employment Status
Where Born London Lambeth
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name George Ing
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 16
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Bottle Cleaner ...
Employment Status
Where Born London Lambeth
Language
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name James Ing
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 17
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Labourer General
Employment Status
Where Born London Lambeth
Language
Infirmity

Householder 5
Name James Ing
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 61
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Tailor
Employment Status
Where Born Middlesex Uxbridge
Language
Infirmity

Householder 6
Name Sarah Ing
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 59
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London East ...
Language
Infirmity

Sliwowski

Sliwowski Report 11 Jul 2009 14:56

A marriage

Marriages Jun 1878 (>99%)
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>>>BRIDGER Sarah Maria Lambeth 1d 520
Hall Helen Lambeth 1d 520
>>>Ing James Vernon Lambeth 1d 520
SLATER Henry Lambeth 1d 520

Sliwowski

Sliwowski Report 11 Jul 2009 15:03

Henry Charles as his father could well be correct

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%)
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BARNETT William Lambeth 1d 713
>>>BRIDGES Henry Charles Lambeth 1d 713
Chillingsworth Jane Lambeth 1d 713
>>>Quested Sarah Maria Lambeth 1d 713
Quested Sarh Maria Lambeth 1d 713