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Help with strange surname/writting please

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SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Sep 2007 21:54

Maybe Wentworth is the wrong place!?

There are many "wrong" birth places on the various censuses, just as there are wrong spellings of names, etc.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Daniel

Daniel Report 4 Sep 2007 21:59

Maybe sylvia, it's possible, it definatley says Wentworth Yorkshire, and there is a real village called Wentworth in Yorkshire. Also the census which says that is a Welsh one so it's no as if they have jsut copied from the village name or something. She is only person on that census with that place of birth.

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 4 Sep 2007 22:05

I know it's probably a T but what about a Y or a J ???

Has it been mistranscribed?

Jill

Researching:
London: Faber, Haysey, Spicer ...

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 4 Sep 2007 22:06

Second letter probably e but could be an o ?

then mpil and probably y

Jill

Researching:
London: Faber, Haysey, Spicer ...

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Sep 2007 22:08

However ............ who gave the census taker the information??

It may have been Eliza, or a member of her family ............ and she might have told them "near Wentworth".


There also seem to be instances where the person has said a place name, the census taker has apparently said "Where's that then", answer "near Leeds (or wherever)". Census taker recognises that name, so that is what is put down!



All I'm trying to say is ......... don't take what is says on any census as the absolute truth!!!

I now very rarely use the birth place name when searching censuses because they are so often wrong!


Sylvia (in Canada)

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Sep 2007 22:09

BTW


................ I couldn't get your link to work, so I haven't been able to see the image myself



Sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Daniel

Daniel Report 4 Sep 2007 22:12

Sylvia, you have to copy and paste it into the browser

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Sep 2007 22:13

1851 Census!!!!!


Name: R Barton
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: E
Gender: Female
Where born: Windsor, Berkshire, England

Civil Parish: Newchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Bacup
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Haslingden
Sub-registration district: Newchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 1q
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 111
Household Members: Name Age
E Barton 42
J Barton 2
James Barton 47
James Barton 8
R Barton 7
Ann Kinghorn 18
B Smith 8
C Smith 15
E Smith 40
E Smith 4
Edward Smith 53
I Smith 10
L Smith 17
T Smith 12


More information to follow in a moment!

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Sep 2007 22:19

Name Age
E Barton 42 b.ca 1809, Wentworth, Yorkshire, Lodger
J Barton 2 b.ca 1849, Wales, Daughter
James Barton 47 b.ca 1804, Ireland, Cutter, Lodger
James Barton 8 b.ca 1843, Plymouth, Devon
R Barton 7 b.ca 1844

Edward Smith 53 Head of House

Address:- Irwell (??) St, Newchurch, Lancashire



Sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Sep 2007 22:20

Do you think that's a possible find????????????

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Sep 2007 22:22

????James' birth


Births Dec 1842 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BENTON James Nathaniel Plymouth 9 385

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Daniel

Daniel Report 4 Sep 2007 22:22

Sylvia your brilliant, give me a moment to get my head around it

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Sep 2007 22:25

Almost time for me to go for my afternoon coffee anyway!!!


Hope I haven't gone too far out on a limb!!!


Sylvia

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Joan

Joan Report 4 Sep 2007 22:27

Well done Sylvia ! I am trying to follow your logic and I would say you are right.
What a star !
Joan
Daniel did you notice the occupation of James sr in 1861 ? Joan

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 4 Sep 2007 22:28

In the 1871 there is a Jane Powell with them who is recorded as a daughter. She was born c1850 in Bryn Mawr, Breconshire.

Update:
Marriages Sep 1865
...>>>Benton Jane Pontypridd 11a 391
James John Pontypridd 11a 391
Jones Margaret Pontypridd 11a 391
...>>>Powell David Pontypridd 11a 391

Daniel

Daniel Report 4 Sep 2007 22:28

Sylvia can I give you a big kiss please XXXXX

Daniel

Daniel Report 4 Sep 2007 22:30

I just got the 1851 census up and it's got to be, in my 1861 census it has James Benton as from St James Middlesex though

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Sep 2007 22:31

Daniel,

Certainly you may!!



Thanks!

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Daniel

Daniel Report 4 Sep 2007 22:32

Sylvia 100% as my birth cert has Rhoda (R on the census you found) in Windsor too

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 4 Sep 2007 22:32

I'm sorry but I don't think Sylvia's on the right track. James is a schoolteacher & a retired schoolteacher in 1861 &1871. Rhoda is an assistant teacher in 1861.

& where does Ireland come into it?

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