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Thanks Lorraine for all your help.

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Hello Lorraine.
Could you please help me again.
I have since discovered that members of the Barker family went to the USA. with the Craig family that you found yesterday on the Aquitainia.
Lily Craig nee Barker 's mother ,brother and sister went with her.
They are :-
Frank Charles Barker born 2/9/1900 Croydon.
Daisy Barker born 12/9/1902 Croydon.
Sarah Harriet Barker born 14/10/1862 Gibraltar.
Is there any information on the above 3 after they arrived New York 23/2/1921.
Your help again would be much appreciated.
Regards Alan.

Hi Lorraine,

You are a treasure, you have found out something I needed to know .. his going back to either Canada or America , you see he disappeared from my Grandmothers life so it looks like he went to New York but he was Crew so I wonder if he stayed with that Ship and went further afield or left the ship and stayed in America.

On his marriage certificate dated 8th March 1917 ( he married her whilst fighting in the 1st World War on the field in France) he has his father also as a George Wharram (deceased) I can't find him either! and my Grandmother is the Muriel Bailey he mentions as his step sister in his War Records (the Bailey was not her name as she was christened Muriel Gilbert) her mother was Edith L Gilbert and she married Ernest Bailey in 1899.

I would still like to know when he actually went to Canada before 1916 as he served in the Canadian Irish Rangers for a while before he joined the Expeditionary Force in Aug 1916 .. I wonder why he went to Canada in the 1st place!
Thanks so so much for your help it is really appreciated.
Kind Regards

Me again lol sorry! Lorraine, just re read your info .. yes you have found him going to Canada 5th April 1919 (strange wonder why, it's like he was running away and then to go and enlist and come back to fight in the war .. something really iffy! about this man lying about his date of birth, makes it really hard to find out who he really was.

Have only found two George Wharram's for his father and neither seem to be the right ones as he says born in Hull, one is from London and the son George W born in Sheffield my George did not have a W after his name and the other is Father named George but he is a shepherd live in Yorks Pockthorpe son is George but he was born in Yorks Pockthorpe not Hull.

I wonder if I will ever solve the mystery!!

alan

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Daisy Barker
Name: Daisy Barker
Arrival Date: 23 Feb 1921
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Age: 18 Years 5 Months
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Southampton
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Aquitania
Search Ship Database: View the Aquitania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: England
Line: 13
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_2929
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: croydon
Page Number: 117

travelling with frank aged 20 occupation farmer
sarah h aged 58

next of kin in uk
franks sister
mrs a b price
127 bensham lane
thornton heath

going to olklahoma lenapah

to join sister
mrs j young
box 57
lenapah
olklahoma

frank and daisy born croyden
sarah born gibralter

i cant find any of them on the 1930 census nor deaths for them

Oh! no! it'sme again so sorry! Lorraine ..

This is getting to me I am confusing myself let alone you!! I said you had found him going to Canada 5th April 1919 but that was when he went back to be de-mobbed from out of the Army after the War ..

Could you search for when he actually went out to Canada originally would have been before April 1916 as he served in the Canadian Irish Rangers for a while before he joined the Expeditionary Force in Aug 1916 would love to find this out .. wonder why he went to Canada I know I won't ever know but would be nice to find when he went over there the first time.

Kind regards

Hi Lorraine
Sorry to bother you, I hope you don't mind my rather obtuse query, but I'm trying to find out some info on my grd father's visit to USA in 1907. His name was George Tomlin and lived in Wigan, Lancashire, England.
He travelled on the Saxonia from Liverpool and arrived Boston 12 April 1907. His friends name/ sponsor was a William Brenaman - address as much as I can read off ships manifest is "215 Springhill ns" Boston; not sure about the 'ns' bit. The family have no info on what he did or where he went during the 6 yrs he was away, although I remember my father saying he had been in Canada at some time. He was a bricklayer by trade, so I assume he worked during the time he was away.
Any links to Brenaman in Boston then or now would be useful, or any other info.

Look forward to hearing from you
Regards Allan

Hello Lorraine.
Thank you very much for that information.
It was a suprise that Frank Barker says he was going to join his sister Mrs J Young in Lenapah Oklahoma in 1921 as we had no idea she went to the USA.
Could you please look to see if you can find anything on his sister.All I have is :-
Elizabeth Barker born 25/3/1882 Barming Kent married John Young born unknown in Croydon 1909.
Regards Alan.

justme

i have looked for him going out to canada on a passenger ship and cant find anything on his attestation papers for canadian forces it says he had already served in the army in the uk I wonder if he went over to canada on a military ship rather than an passenger liner

allan

Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943
about George Tomlin
Name: George Tomlin
Arrival Date: 12 Apr 1907
Age: 32 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: English
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Saxonia
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Wm Brenaman
Last Residence: England
Birthplace: Durrow in Furness,
Microfilm Roll Number: 105

on the part where it says going to visit
it looks like brinkman to me but will what i can find


UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about George Tomlin
Name: George Tomlin
Birth Date: abt 1875
Age: 37
Port of Departure: Boston, Massachusetts, United States
Arrival Date: 6 Nov 1912
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Queenstown
Ship Name: Franconia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Franconia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 131315

last residence usa

i cant find him on the 1910 usa census

it looks like your father was right this is him travelling from canada to usa

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
about George Tomlin
Name: George Tomlin
Arrival Date: Aug 1910
Age: 38
Birth Date: abt 1872
Birth Country: England
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English

Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada

occupation bricklayer
next of kin
wife helen
migham or higham lancashire


last address montreal

how annoying he must of missed the usa 1910 because he was in canada and the canadian census is 1911 so missed that too!


took another look at the passenger lists and i thing springhill ns means nova scotia will take a look later and see what else i can find

bingo the brinkman looks like a good possiblity

1911 Census of Canada
about William Brinkman
Name: William Brinkman
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 34
Birth Date: Feb 1877
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1903
Tribal: English
Province: Nova Scotia
District: Cumberland
District Number: 42
Sub-District: Springhill
Sub-District Number: 38
Place of Habitation: Wolseley St
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Brinkman 34
Annie Brinkman 29
Doris Brinkman 9
Gladys Brinkman 3

williams occupation is miner

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about William Brinkman
Name: William Brinkman
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Date of Arrival: 17 Sep 1904
Vessel: Buenos Ayrean
Search Ship Database: View the 'Buenos Ayrean' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-498

born yorkshire
occuptuin engineer
going to springhill nova scotia

Canadian Soldiers of World War I, 1914-1918
about William Brinkman
Name: William Brinkman
Birth Date: 16 Feb 1877
Birth Location: Middlesboro, England
Relative: Mrs A Brinkman
Relationship: Wife
Regiment Number: 501198

HI Loraine
I posted a message for US look ups, so sorry if you saw that and I am repeating information, thats not my intention but I have only just seen your kind offer.

I am trying to find Thomas Lloyd Rogers born 1846, Caernarfon, Wales, he married an Elizabeth Margaret Yapp Pughe in 1875, Liverpool. He had 3 children, 2 boys, 1 girl who died in Wales age 13. The 2 boys, one was definately called Frederick.

Thomas Rogers was a mariner and Capt of a passenger ship that ran between New York and Havanna. All I know about him is he died in New York, I think sometime around the 1910-1920.

I was hoping there may be some information on him on the US census, or a death record for him.

There is a frederick Rogers on the passenger lists who leaves from Liverpool 24 March 1912 to New York and returns to Liverpool 6th April 1912, although he started the return voyage from Queenstown (Canada?) - New York - Liverpool. I wonder if he went to New York as his father was ill or had died?

Thanks
Vicki

alan

re elizabeth young

1930 United States Federal Census
about John Young
Name: John Young
Home in 1930: Nowata, Nowata, Oklahoma
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Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Young 48
Elizabeth Young 49
Edith B Young 14
John W R Young 13


emigrated looks like 1909
edith born olklahoma
john born new york



1910 United States Federal Census
about John Young
Name: John Young
Age in 1910: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Home in 1910: Dewey, Washington, Oklahoma
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1908
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Young 29
Elizabeth Young 29


1920 United States Federal Census
about John Young
Name: John Young
Home in 1920: Hickory, Nowata, Oklahoma
Age: 38 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1900
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 324
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Young 38
Elizabeth Young 38
Nellie L Young 9
Edith L Young 4 7/12
John W R Young 2 3/12


nellie born olklahoma

johns occupation is pamper? or printer cant make it out but also says oil

son johns ww2 reg

U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946
about John W Young
Name: John W Young
Birth Year: 1917
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: New York
State of Residence: Oklahoma
County or City: Tulsa

Enlistment Date: 17 Sep 1940
Enlistment State: Oklahoma
Enlistment City: Sperry
Branch: Field Artillery
Branch Code: Field Artillery
Grade: Private
Grade Code: Private
Term of Enlistment: One year enlistment
Component: Army of the United States - includes the following: Voluntary enlistments effective December 8, 1941 and thereafter; One year enlistments of National Guardsman whose State enlistment expires while in the Federal Service; Officers appointed in the Army of
Source: Civil Life

Education: 4 years of high school
Civil Occupation: Musicians and teachers of music
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Height: 71
Weight: 160

vicki

cant find anything for thomas rogers re passenger lists but if he was the captain then he wouldnt be listed as a passenger


re frederick

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Frederick E Rogers
Name: Frederick E Rogers
Arrival Date: 24 Mar 1912
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Campania
Search Ship Database: View the Campania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
NATIVITY: England
Line: 8
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_1825
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Liverpool, England
Page Number: 53

his occupation is farmer

his last address was seacombe cheshire
and next of kin
aunt mrs pearson
seacomber

going to new york

to join friend
mr victor rummage
3 broadway st
newyork


do you have the family on a census in uk

Hi Lorraine,

Thanks for trying just had a feeling he had gone over as a Civy as on his Attestation Papers he states he belongs to an Active Militia that being his Former Corps being the 55th Irish Canadian Rangers .. so looks like he was in the Militia before .. will have to try and find out more about the Irish Canadian Rangers and see if I can trace him coming over from the UK.

Just wish I could find something about him before 1916.

Thanks so much for all the help you have given.

Kind Regards

Thanks Loraine, does Thomas Rogers appear on the census at all?

Really appreciate all the help
Vicki

Hello Lorraine.
Many thanks for your help and the information.
I think that maybe John Young's occupation pamper and the word oil could be oil pumper.
Regards Alan.

alan

yes that makes sense


Lorraine

vikki

havent found any definate on a census what uk census do you have the family on so i can narrow the time frame down

Hi Loraine

I don't have him on UK census' as he was at sea with his wife most of the time, their children seem to have been looked after by relatives so they don't appear with them on the 1891 or 1901 census with the kids. Not to worry, maybe he was still captain of the passenger ship so wouldn't appear on any census record, apreciate all your efforts though.

Vicki