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Mary Report 8 Aug 2009 16:01

So far they had Ellen 1882
Peter w 1884 Hannah 1876 william H 1888
Lydia 1891 died 1913
Henry 1898.
john 1893 died 1899 Ada 1881 died 1882.

William h married Eliza Jane walton in about 1913 they had William alfred 1913 and john henry 1915.
Eliza had a brother alfred watson born 1887 to Joseph watson born 1833 in Ireland mum ellen born 1861 in liverpool.
With the age difference between joseph walton and ellen i think he was married before
A wedding took place in liverpool between a Joseph Walton and Ellen Slater in 1887 so maybe this was them.
It was very common indeed for people of German origin to change there names,in one of the wars and I think it was 1st one where in London they rounded up about 60,000 male germans and placed them in confinement so they couldn't cause problems.



LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2009 16:26

Do not get to caught up with spellings.
education was not so good so they wrote it how they heard it. I have a will document with half a dozen spellings of the same name ranging from Bragginton to Brock referring to the same person.

They wrote it like they heard it.

And if they spoke with an unfamiliar accent........


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2009 16:52

Try googling the surname.

The ones I found were on familysearch google that and eperiment.


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2009 16:53

read this first though


Elizabeth Report 8 Aug 2009 17:10

thanks christine.. i just had a little look and realised they not sure how it was spelt!! lol.. so you right.. it could have been anything :) thanks for the link i will give it a read.

I am learning slow but sure.. my tree is now getting some"life" I will have to start writing the story before long :)

thanks again liz


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2009 17:14

You are a fast learner.
I like nothing better than starting with a few lookups
to the point you start saying how?
check out the tips board too.


Elizabeth Report 8 Aug 2009 17:50

thanks mary for the catch up!! spot on... i am going out 2night... my partner things he has lost my attention.. hahah

I still desperate to piece things togeather :)

thanks again!


Elizabeth Report 8 Aug 2009 17:54

the next search?? germany handover>??? for john echeho b1842?or johan eckho? will this be possible??? checked on the free site but nothing on germany/handover?? i have got his dad as peter echeho? 1820??

you see i am addicted.. need to get ready!! and get the washing in!! and get the kids to bed.. heheheh

thanks again liz


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2009 19:24

Just thought

nan said she may have had a sister Joanna.

Just wonder if she might be a Johanna?


Mary Report 8 Aug 2009 19:30

Hi Christine, it was Josephine born 1917 who was the sister.

Good story isn't it,stops us from getting bored.



LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2009 19:56

Marriages Jun 1927 (99%)

Hager James Thomas Watford 3a 2054
Thomas Mercy K Hager Watford 3a 2054


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2009 19:58

Yes I just wondered if there was a Joanna/Johanna too.

I thought of it as I came across apatient with that forename today.


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2009 20:03

This could be him

Deaths Sep 1890 (>99%)

Hagar John 76 Watford 3a 309

no this one was born 1814 so maybe a generation back. Hold that one!


LadyKira Report 8 Aug 2009 20:07

And this one caught my eye.
Again sit on it,

Births Jun 1846 (98%)

HOSIER William Che* Watford 6 629

Deaths Jun 1846 (>99%)

Hosier William Chew Watford 6 394


Elizabeth Report 8 Aug 2009 23:27

I am back frommy night out.. and yes this is a an intersting tree. my nan has just found out she is of german decnet... and she does haved a living relative who still lives in liverpool who is 85!!!

Its all good and thanks to you and GR i have done a tentative search.. will do more over the following weeks.. as still not getting the link between her dad hagar and mother robinette.... and have maped it but still more researched needed my nans mum was the black sheep! leaving a child with the husband !

my nan has memores of seeing her mum in a cinema with a man,,, dad was away at war?? maybe... she ran to her and wanted some motherlylove. she was told to bugger off!! as she was not wated! mmmmm my nans mum was a characheer...

thanks again,, another day!!! another search!! my nans mother did live in bletchley milton keynes after the war asin the salvation army??mmmmmmmmmm the plotis thickerning :)
thanks agai liz
p.s just heard from my nans living relative againhuffed to find my nan!


mgnv Report 9 Aug 2009 03:34

Since your nan was only a=18-19 on 23/9/1950, I presume there was some problem over parental permission that needed court intervention

Re Ancestry: get the 2 weeks free trial first, then cancel - give yourself time to sort stuff out, then buy a month's sub.
Ancestry has completed FreeBMDs B/M transcriptions 1916-1983. They also have the computerized GRO index for BMDs 1984-2005.

For Deaths 1916-1983, one would have to search quarter by quarter - course this is a pain, so first one would check FreeBMD at:

So one could enter the Ancestry Birth search for Miles - Robinette kids and find John 1934q2 and Josephine T 1936q3.

If we search the FreeBMD Death transcriptions, they've only done 1939q1, and it's 1939q4 we need (although we don't know that yet). One can search the images on FreeBMD's "view images" link from their home page (but one has to hunt and peck to find we need index p84 - it's much easier on Ancestry).


Elizabeth Report 9 Aug 2009 09:53

Thanks for the information. I will have a little look 2night. I have tried to find peter hagar again but having no luck at all. cant find the surname on here no matter what i use?? so I am a little stuck with peter hagar born 1885-1950. I beleive the name change was between 1901-1911 due to the war. The children must also have had the old name so thats why so hard to find them and what they were doing..

going to nurse my hangover and go to a christening today. I am still trying to get over that my nans dad's dad was german. I know My nans dad peter did goto war and did become a P.O.W he also got a medal. How weird. German father but went to war with the bristish. mmmmmmm

thanks again i be back later.


LadyKira Report 9 Aug 2009 15:07

possibly connected

1891 Address: 22, Albert Road, Brighton
ECKHART, Johna P Head Married M 58 1833 Artist Miniature Painter
Germany VIEW
ECKHART, Margaret Mother Married F 55 1836
Marbug Hepen Capel
Germany VIEW
ECKHART, Henry Son Single M 21 1870 Photographic Artist
Sunderland VIEW
ECKHART, Louisa Daughter Single F 18 1873
Sunderland VIEW
PARVIN, Ellen Servant Single F 17 1874 General Servant Domestic


Elizabeth Report 9 Aug 2009 16:05

who said to google?? well i did all the combintions of echo/egoho and I hit a gold mine! I now know for sure they changed the name in 1890. Lydia was christened hagar in dec 1890.

John eghor?? was born 30/08/1893 and christened with the german eghor
william echo? egorno? was born 18/10/88 and was christened with the geman name.

Also found the link to home they were in 82 or 32 Benledi street in liverpool

Very intersteing taken them all with a pinch of salt but good stuff!! thanks for the tip about googling!!!

heres the link to the liverpool list. again surnames all over the place but links to address and mum and dads name is a give away!

great!!! the search continues....


LadyKira Report 9 Aug 2009 17:06


The site has been under maintenance for the past few dats.
They have upgraded their search engine.

most efficient.

Looks like a good match to me.