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Hi cherilyn, this one has got me puzzled!! Nicholas Leonard was born in c 1844 in rush dublin, he came first to nz then victoria, then nsw where he stayed until his death in 1916. He married a margaret hughes, and they had several children. But I can't find the marriage!!! I'm pretty sure it was in either nsw or vic and not nz, and I'm really hoping it was nsw where the records are so much better and it may give us his mothers name. I know his father was a michael leonard from his death cert, but the death was registered by one of his sons, who gives his grandmother as unknown???? All the children appear to have been born in nsw in the 1880's. Thanking you in advance for anything you may find. Regards Linda :)

Re the morans, no connection it appears!! PS never did hear back from the bird on ancestry!!!!!

Hi Cherilyn...can you help me out please..I have found the most enormous amount of family in Australia and they have changed their names Hugo/HogarFrank to William/WilhelmLohmann and mother has gone from Mary Ann Shergorick to Grezegorick....they are in Queensland...what I need to know is,how do I order certificates and how much do they cost please...thanks very much...

Surname: LEONARD
Given Names: Francis James
Event: B
Father: Nicholas
Mother: Margaret HUGHES
Birth Place: BARN
Year: 1887
Reg Number: 25965

The first birth is in 1877 in Albury, right there on the NSW-Vic border. But no marriage found in Vic or NSW (or NZ). From 1886, they were in Corowa, except for the one Vic birth above of course.

Sorry :-(

Thanks for looking Cherilyn, didn't think I could have missed it! Well, that is so odd. Nicholas was too young to have married in the Uk and margaret was born in Vic, perhaps they never actually married?!! Thanks again, linda :)
No she wasn't she was born in Wilunga SA, I wonder if they married there, and how to go about finding out?

Angelas ashes, depends on how recent these events are..

Oh I see them:

births:
1889/C8783 August Alexander Lohmann Hugo Frank Mary Ann Shgreck
1894/C8587 Archibald Lohmann William Mary Ann Gregorek
1896/C8455 Thomas Andrew Lohmann William Mary Gryegorek
1904/C9001 Norah Lohmann William Mary Ann Grzegonek


deaths
1894/C3235 Archibald Lohmann William Lohmann Mary Ann Gregorek
1900/C2273 Zuleika Mary Lohmann Wilhelm Lohmann Mary Schagorrick
1904/C3016 Norah Lohmann William Lohmann Mary Ann Grzegorek
1949/C3239 Paul Albret Lohmann William Mary Grzegorek
1951/C1921 George Norman Lohmann Hugo Frank Mary Ann Shgorek
1955/B10428 William Alfred Lohmann - Mary Ann Shegorrick
1959/C643 Michael Anthony Lohmann William Mary Ann Gregorek
1959/B33588 Charles Ernest Lohmann Willheim Mary Schgorrick
1959/B35419 Joseph Arthur Lohmann Hoger Frank Mary Ann Shirorick
1960/B41110 August Alexander Lohmann Hugo Frank Mary Ann Shgreck

parents deaths:
1924/B44660 William Fredrick Lohmann [father] Carl Lohmann [mother] Fredericka Hertsberg
1926/C1781 Mary Ann Lohmann [f] Michael Grzegorek - ** born Germany aged 72 years

The Brisbane Courier, Monday 15 December 1924
LOHMANN- The friends of Mrs WILLIAM FREDERICK LOHMANN and family are respectfully invited to attend the funeral of her beloved Husband and their Father, Mr William Frederick Lohmann, to move from his late residence, Carl-Street, Thompson Estate, this Monday Forenoon, at 10 o'clock, to the South Brisbane Cemetery.

The Brisbane Courier, Wednesday 14 April 1926
LOHMANN-The Interment of MARY ANN LOHMANN, deceased, Relict of the late Wilhelm F. T. Lohmann, will take place at the South Brisbane Cemetery, THIS (Wednesday) AFTERNOON, at 8 o'clock.

Burial records see http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:BASE::pc=PC_899

Qld certs are quite expensive, A$35 each. See http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/justice-services/births-deaths-and-marriages

Good luck, hope this helps.

Hi again Linda

Try Kerri's SA lookups thread

If it is there, she will find it!

:-)

Hi cherilyn, thanks for that, as you say if it's there!! Have just realised that margaret was probably underage if born in 1858 and had her first child in 1877. Fingers crossed and thanks again for your help, regards Linda :)

Hello again cherilyn. Well I did as you suggested and Kerri very kindly found me margaret leonards death details, so having just downloaded the cert from vicbmd I'm more confused than ever!!!!!! It definitely says she was born in Willunga in 1858, died 1938 in Vic, and was married aged 18 in Chiltern Vic. I make that about 1876, francis born 1877, all right and proper, BUT the marriage is not coming up on vicbmd. It's beginning to look very much like they never married, unless I'm missing something? Can I get your views on this? Thanks again, linda :)

edit: kerri also suggested raogk so have sent off to one of them.

Oh Cherilyn...thank you so much for the extra bits you have found...can you see what I mean about the name changes though? Was this common..I mean to go from Hogar Frank to William and then have the extra Frederick added on...misspellings I understand...
Can I ask please about the parents death..there is a Carl in there..who would this relate to???
Big hug from another Aussie who would love to be there now..xxx

Hi Cherilyn...sorry for being a nuisance..picking your brains here...
Mary Ann Shegorrick married Hogar Frank in 1874 Queensland..
Mary Ann Frank married Wilhelm Lohmann 1910 Queensland..
Do you think these are 2 seperate marraiges..to 2 seperate people or are Frank and Lohmann the same person...the only death I can find is in 1939 for a Hugo Franks so that would mean Mary Ann would have had to be divorced...I am so muddled..the last child she had was in 1904 and that was Norah whos surname was Sheggorick..some of the children born as Frank are registered in the same year as Lohmann..this is really hard to understand...if you can help me at all I would be so grateful..xx

Omg angela, what a mess!!! I think there is nothing for it but to order the 2 marriage certs...or her death cert, though that will rely on the knowledge of the informant.

I would suggest she did marry Hogar but the marriage did not last long and she 'took up with' Wilhelm, with whom she had most of the chn. They must have decided to marry in 1910. Can't see a divorce in the papers but that doesn't mean much...

If you do decide to order them I would really love to know what they say!!!

Carl is shown as Wilhelm's father on his death reg, mother Fredericka.

:-)

Thanks Cherilyn..it is a mess isnt it!..In the back of my mind I seem to remember a letter mum was sent..something about Paul Albert Frank,changing his name by deed poll.I cant find him in the births under Lohmann,only Frank.Will order the marraige to Franks in 1874 and the last birth which is Norah in 1904.It should list all siblings(fingers crossed).Then I will try and get in touch with my cousin and see if she is aware of anyone in the family with a marraige cert for Mary Ann and Wilhelm.If not then I will have to send for that..I will definately let you know what I find and a big thank you once again..you are very kind..xx

Hi, Cherilyn, I'm looking for a cousin by the name of Sheila Bell last heard of as being in Australia - not sure where. Possible other names used Sheila Bartlett or Sheila Wunder. I had an email from this contact once before and now cannot reach her. Please help if you can.
Lilian

Hi Lilian

Need a bit more info - which of these names is her maiden name? Do you know who she married (if she did)? Any idea which state she lived/lives in? When did she arrive? How old would she be, ie what year was she born?

Probably can't help on this but here are a few possibles - bit of a stab in the dark though!

BELL SHEILA MARGARET : Service Number - 103490 : Date of birth - 02 Aug 1924 : Place of birth - WALSALL ENGLAND : Place of enlistment - PERTH : Next of Kin - BELL ARTHUR

BELL Ann Sheila, Janet Louisa, Sheila Christine, Jacqueline Jefferson [Application by British migrants for assisted passage] [1948-56]

BARTLETT IAN GEORGE : Date of birth - 25 Jan 1938 : Place of birth - LISMORE NSW : Place of enlistment - SYDNEY : Next of Kin - SHEILA

Cherilyn,
Could you help with this?
We have been looking for the last 3 years for Robert Joseph Hawkins known variously as Joe or Bob without success.He was born around 1920 in Shropshire and married Edith Blackwell before leaving for Australia in 1950.They had a daughter Dianne born 1945 and a son who died soon after birth in 1952 in Grenfell New South Wales.Joseph worked for the Gas works in Grenfell for a number of years gaining national recognition before leaving when the plant closed.His family in England would like to trace him if he is still alive or his descendants.
Any help would be gratefully accepted,
Thanks,
Ian Crichton

Hi Ian

No sorry, Robert seems to be determined to remain a brick wall!

:-(
Cherilyn

Cherilyn,

Thanks anyway.The search goes on.

Best wishes,
Ian

Hi Cherilyn, i would be so grateful if you could find any info on any of these people May Jones [Jenks ]1905born in Aston ,Birmingham UK. she married William Jones in 1926 in the UK. They emigrated to NSW in 1960's. They had 2 children Sandra 1955AND William 1954 also born in UK. .Thank you for your time .Regards Kim

Sorry Kim, with a surname like Jones it is near impossible, as I'm sure you understand!

Sorry I can't help.

Cherilyn