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Simon-Peter
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27 Jul 2011 22:16 |
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Hi all,
Can you find the details please for John William Mc Cormick b c1861/2 Salford, Lancashire. I'd like the details for him in 1871. Any siblings and his father? His mother Maria b 1828 Salford was a widow in 1881. I have John W and mother in 1881 :) . John married Catherien Walsh JFM 1883 in Salford. Their daughter, Mary Ellen, was born 1892 in School Street, Heywood Lancashire but I've not found them in 1891 or 1901.
I think I must be having trouble searching the 'Mc' side of things.
Hope you can help.
Cheers,
Simon.
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WayneTracey
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27 Jul 2011 22:25 |
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Simon,
I assume you have got Mary Ellen's details from her birth cert?
What was the full address in Heywood....
Tracey x
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patchem
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27 Jul 2011 22:26 |
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Just for refeence: 1881 England Census John W. Mc Cormick Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Son Mother's name: Maria Mc Cormick Gender: Male Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 7 Rossons Court Occupation: Grinder In Cotton Mill Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Regent Road ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Piece: 3966 Folio: 50 Page Number: 38
Maria Mc Cormick 53 John W. Mc Cormick 19
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3966; Folio: 50; Page: 38; GSU roll: 1341947.
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Lynski
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27 Jul 2011 22:32 |
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1871 census?
MCCORMICK, William Head M 67 1804 Scotland VIEW MCCORMICK, Maria F 45 1826 Lancashire VIEW MCCORMICK, William M 10 1861 Lancashire VIEW
RG number: RG10 Piece: 4016 Folio: 118 Page: 39 Registration District: Salford Sub District: Greengate Enumeration District: 5 Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Salford Municipal Borough: Salford Address: Mount Pleasant Place, Salford County: Lancashire
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patchem
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27 Jul 2011 22:33 |
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Using William not John? 1871 England Census Maria McCormick Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Female Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Salford Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Greengate ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 213 Piece: 4016 Folio: 118 Page Number: 39
William McCormick 67 Railway labourer Scotland Maria McCormick 45 William McCormick 10
5 Mount Pleasant Place Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4016; Folio: 118; Page: 39; GSU roll: 846316.
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Simon-Peter
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27 Jul 2011 22:33 |
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Tracey,
Unfortunately I don't have the full address in Heywood.
Anyone having anyluck finding them in 1871. It should be the easiest chance to find them.
Ta,
Simon.
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Lynski
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27 Jul 2011 22:34 |
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Possible marriage???????????
William Mc Cormick
England Marriages, 1538–1973 marriage: 21 Feb 1857 —Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England spouse: Maria Hadwen record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973 groom's name: William Mc Cormick bride's name: Maria Hadwen marriage date: 21 Feb 1857 marriage place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England indexing project (batch) number: M09789-4 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 438222
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alviegal
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27 Jul 2011 22:34 |
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MCCORMICK, William Head M 67 1804 Scotland VIEW MCCORMICK, Maria F 45 1826 Lancashire VIEW MCCORMICK, William M 10 1861 Lancashire VIEW RG number: RG10 Piece: 4016 Folio: 118 Page: 39 Registration District: Salford Sub District: Greengate Enumeration District: 5 Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Salford Municipal Borough: Salford Address: Mount Pleasant Place, Salford County: Lancashire
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Lynski
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27 Jul 2011 22:35 |
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# John William Mccormick
England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910 parents: William Mccormick, Maria Mccormick record title: England, Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Parish Registers, 1603-1910 name: John William Mccormick event: Christening event date: 09 Mar 1862 event place: Salford (St Phillip), Lancashire, England father: William Mccormick mother: Maria Mccormick digital folder number: 004443955 # James William Mc Cormick
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 residence: Lancashire, England parents: William Mc Cormick, Maria record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name: James William Mc Cormick gender: Male baptism/christening date: 22 Nov 1857 baptism/christening place: CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND father's name: William Mc Cormick mother's name: Maria indexing project (batch) number: C07354-4 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 438179
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WayneTracey
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27 Jul 2011 22:36 |
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Possible 1901?
1901 RG number: RG13 Piece: 3750 Folio: 65 Page: 11 Reg. District: Manchester Sub District: St George Address: 40, Sudell Street, Manchester County: Lancashire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MCCORMICK, John Head Married M 38 1863 Labourer In Brickyard Ireland MCCORMICK, Catherine Wife Married F 33 1868 Manchester Lancashire MCCORMICK, John Son M 6 1895 Manchester Lancashire MCCORMICK, Winifred Daughter F 4 1897 Manchester Lancashire MCCORMICK, Margaret Daughter F 3 1898 Manchester Lancashire MCCORMICK, Joseph P Son M 1 1900 Manchester Lancashire
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patchem
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27 Jul 2011 22:38 |
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? 1861 England Census Maria McCormick Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William McCormick Gender: Female Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Salford Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Town: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Salford Sub-registration district: Greengate ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 177 Piece: 2911 Folio: 43 Page Number: 27
William McCormick 53 Porter Cumberland Maria McCormick 37 Alice Mett 30
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2911; Folio: 43; Page: 27; GSU roll: 543049.
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WayneTracey
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27 Jul 2011 22:40 |
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same family in 1911.
1911 RG14PN24148 RG78PN1387 RD466 SD3 ED15 SN233 Reg. District: Manchester Sub District: St George Address: 48 Teignmouth ST County: Lancashire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MCCORMICK, John Head Married M 50 1861 Labourer Streete Co Westmeath Ireland Resident MCCORMICK, Catherione Wife Married 17 years F 43 1868 Housekeeper Manchester Lancs MCCORMICK, John Son Single M 16 1895 Telephone Assistant Manchester Lancs MCCORMICK, Winefred Daughter F 14 1897 Cap Maker Manchester Lancs MCCORMICK, Joseph Patrick Son M 11 1900 School Manchester Lancs MCCORMICK, Catherine Daughter F 8 1903 School Manchester Lancs MCCORMICK, Denis Son M 4 1907 Manchester Lancs MCCORMICK, Mathew Son M 4 1907 Manchester Lancs MCCORMICK, Ellen Daughter F 1 1910 Manchester Lancs HARDIMAN, Martin Joseph Brother In Law Single M 35 1876 Tailor Maker Manchester Lancs Tracey x
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patchem
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27 Jul 2011 22:41 |
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Births Mar 1862 MCCORMICK John William Salford 8a 56
Births Jun 1863 McCORMICK John William Salford 8d 39
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Simon-Peter
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27 Jul 2011 22:43 |
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Alviegal, Patchem, Lynski. WayneTracey,
Thanks for all your posts. It's a tough call. You can see he's John W in 1881. Why then William M in 1871?
Where is her in 1891?
Maria as the mother is Ok but there were a few Mc Cormicks marrying a Maria arond that time in Salford/Manchester.
Any othersshow up as potentials?
Cheers,
Simon.
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alviegal
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27 Jul 2011 22:47 |
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Baptisms: 9 Mar 1862 St Philip, Salford, Lancashire, England John William McCormick - Child of William McCormick & Maria Abode: 13 Burton St. Occupation: Porter Baptised by: W. Hopwood Register: Baptisms 1848 - 1864, Page 293, Entry 1055 Source: LDS Film 506449
Simon the census reads William, M for male, not M as a middle name.
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WayneTracey
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27 Jul 2011 23:07 |
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Hmmmm.... This one seems good, but a different wife?
1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 3225 Folio: 25 Page: 44 Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road Address: 8, Gertrude Street, Salford County: Lancashire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MCCORMICK, John W Head Married M 30 1861 Stripper And Grinder Cotton Mill Salford Lancashire MCCORMICK, Sarah A Wife Married F 26 1865 Salford Lancashire MCCORMICK, John W Son M 2 1889 Salford Lancashire The job description almost exactly matches the 1881. If you do not have Ellen's birth cert how do you know for certain he married a Catherine?
I have a feeling we have the wrong wife, unless of course you have absolute proof otherwise?
.... or he married twice?
Tracey x
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Simon-Peter
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27 Jul 2011 23:15 |
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Thanks all,
I think I'll go for William (Scotland) and Maria (Salford) as the parents. I've ordered the marriage cert of John to Catherine to confirm his father before I get warnings over not assuming!
Cheers,
Simon.
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WayneTracey
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27 Jul 2011 23:23 |
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1901 RG number: RG13 Piece: 3735 Folio: 53 Page: 19 Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road Address: 11, Skinner Street, Salford County: Lancashire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MCCORMACK, John W Head Married M 39 1862 Cotton Stripper & Grinder Salford Lancashire MCCORMACK, Sarah A Wife Married F 36 1865 Salford Lancashire MCCORMACK, Emma Daughter F 9 1892 Salford Lancashire MCCORMACK, Sarah A Daughter F 7 1894 Salford Lancashire MCCORMACK, Henry Son M 4 1897 Salford Lancashire MCCORMACK, Lilly Daughter F 0 (9 MOS) 1901 Salford Lancashire Tracey x
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WayneTracey
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27 Jul 2011 23:36 |
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Throwing this one in, it confuses me a little.... if this is your Mary Ellen, she's listed as Maria's child?
1901 RG number: RG13 Piece: 3735 Folio: 38 Page: 27 Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road Address: 28, Mary Street, Salford County: Lancashire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MCCORMICK, Maria Head Widow F 40 1861 House Worker Manchester MCCORMICK, John Son Single M 20 1881 Glass Packer Manchester MCCORMICK, Eliza Daughter Single F 17 1884 Cap Machinist Manchester MCCORMICK, Kate Daughter F 12 1889 Attending School Manchester Salford MCCORMICK, Mary Daughter F 9 1892 Attending School Manchester Salford MCCORMICK, Margaret Daughter F 7 1894 Attending School Manchester Salford MCCORMICK, Agnes Daughter F 5 1896 Manchester Salford
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WayneTracey
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27 Jul 2011 23:46 |
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Ahhhhhh..... i think you have the wrong wife!!
Marriages Mar 1883 >>BLACKSHAW Sarah Ann Salford 8d 178 >>McCormick John William Salford 8d 178 ROEBUCK John Salford 8d 178 WALSH Catherine Salford 8d 178
I think you'll find John W married Sarah A Blackshaw and NOT Catherine Walsh!
1911 RG14PN24062 RG78PN1384 RD465 SD4 ED19 SN203 Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road Address: 11 Skinner St Salford Manchester County: Lancashire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MACCORMACK, John William Head Married M 49 1862 Stripper And Grinder Slaford Lancashire MACCORMACK, Sarah Ann Wife Married 27 years F 45 1866 Slaford Lancashire MACCORMACK, Emma Daughter Single F 19 1892 Ring Spinner Slaford Lancashire MACCORMACK, Sarah Ann Daughter Single F 17 1894 Garment Maker Slaford Lancashire MACCORMACK, Henry Son Single M 14 1897 Lorry Nipper Lurry Boy Slaford Lancashire MACCORMACK, Lily Daughter Single F 10 1901 School Slaford Lancashire ~~~~~~~~~
1901 RG number: RG13 Piece: 3735 Folio: 53 Page: 19 Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road Address: 11, Skinner Street, Salford County: Lancashire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MCCORMACK, John W Head Married M 39 1862 Cotton Stripper & Grinder Salford Lancashire MCCORMACK, Sarah A Wife Married F 36 1865 Salford Lancashire MCCORMACK, Emma Daughter F 9 1892 Salford Lancashire MCCORMACK, Sarah A Daughter F 7 1894 Salford Lancashire MCCORMACK, Henry Son M 4 1897 Salford Lancashire MCCORMACK, Lilly Daughter F 0 (9 MOS) 1901 Salford Lancashire ~~~~~~~~~
1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 3225 Folio: 25 Page: 44 Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road Address: 8, Gertrude Street, Salford County: Lancashire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MCCORMICK, John W Head Married M 30 1861 Stripper And Grinder Cotton Mill Salford Lancashire MCCORMICK, Sarah A Wife Married F 26 1865 Salford Lancashire MCCORMICK, John W Son M 2 1889 Salford Lancashire ~~~~~~~~~
1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 3966 Folio: 50 Page: 38 Reg. District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road Address: 7, Rossons Court, Salford County: Lancashire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MC CORMICK, Maria Head Widow F 53 1828 Housekeeper Salford Lancashire MC CORMICK, John W Son Single M 19 1862 Grinder In Cotton Mill Salford Lancashire Cross referencing his Job description throughout, i am certain these are all for the same person.
I do then wonder if that child is yours? Or if she is yours, then the parenting is what you have incorrect?
Something doesn't add up ?? :-/
Tracey xx
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