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I have a James Kelly 1819 Ireland living in Chorlton upon Medlock Manchester 1851 the census on ancestry is very poor can some one look on FMP to see if he was married ,widowed ,single, please
Going over my tree and realised! that I could have had the wrong wife for him, back in 2016 I was getting help and some one posted a marriage I didn't think it was mine but I have looked at this again in the last couple of weeks and realised it possibly was ,this marriage took place in 1855 and this is why I need to clarify the 1851 census

Thank you

I can't see him on either site in 1851

1861
Name: James Hally------------------------------Labourer
[James Kelly]
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Bridget Hally
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Chorlton upon Medlock
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 149
Piece: 2877
Folio: 44
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hally 42
Bridget Hally 46
James Hally 4
Thomas Hally 5/12

There seems to be two men with the name James Kelly in Chorlton upon Medlock. The images are difficult to make out but I think both are unmarried.

Kath. x

KELLY, THOMAS MAHON
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 552

KELLY, JAMES MAHON
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 470

The above are on the FREE-to-all GRO index

1851 - NOTE birth year

Name: James Kelly
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Chorlton upon Medlock
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

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James Kelly
England and Wales Census, 1841

Name:
James Kelly
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1841
Event Place:
Manchester, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Manchester, Lancashire, England
County:
Lancashire
Parish:
Manchester
Registration District:
Chorlton
Residence Note:
Ashton Road
Gender:
Male
Age:
19
Age (Original):
19
Birth Year (Estimated):
1818-1822
Birthplace:
Ireland
Page Number:
28
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
578/18
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Affiliate Image Identifier:
GBC/1841/0578/0241&parentid=GBC/1841/0011993533
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Petter Kelly Male 45 Ireland
Ann Kelly Female 42 Ireland
Francis Kelly Male 22 Ireland
James Kelly Male 19 Ireland
Mary Kelly Female 18 Lancashire
John Kelly Male 8 Lancashire
Thos Kelly Male 6 Lancashire
Peter Kelly Male 4 Lancashire
Andrew Kelly Male 1 Lancashire
Images Available

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Bond Street, Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

John Cahill Head Married Male 30 1821 Ag Lab Ireland
Ann Cahill Wife Married Female 28 1823 Domestic Ireland
Michael Cahill Son - Male 1 1850 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Catherine Cahill Dau - Female 0 1851 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Margaret Cahill Servt Unmarried Female 26 1825 House Servant Ireland
John Mulloy Vis Married Male 29 1822 Ag Lab Ireland
Mary Mulloy ? Married Female 33 1818 Servt -
Garrett Mulloy Visitor Unmarried Male 20 1831 Ag Lab Ireland
Laurence Mulloy Visitor Unmarried Male 18 1833 Ag Lab Ireland
John Francis Visitor Widowed Male 50 1801 Ag Lab Ireland
James Kelly Visitor Unmarried Male 33 1818 Ag Lab Ireland<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
James Baid Visitor Unmarried Male 18 1833 Ag Lab Ireland
John Dignam Visitor Unmarried Male 20 1831 Ag Lab Ireland
Bridget Oats Visitor - Female 20 1831 Weaver Ireland
Catherine Oats Visitor - Female 17 1834 Weaver Ireland

and this one:-

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

John Kelly Head Married Male 40 1811 Licensed Hawker Sheffield Hardware Ireland
Eliza Kelly Wife Married Female 36 1815 Illegible Ireland
Bridget Kelly Dau Unmarried Female 21 1830 Gen Serv Lancashire, England
James Kelly Son - Male - - Hawker Lancashire, England<<<<<<<<
Mary A Kelly ? - Female - - Scholar Lancashire, England
Emma Kelly ? - Female - - Scholar Lancashire, England

Kath. x

From Lancsbmd - also FREE

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1855
COWAN Bridget KELLY James 1855 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/14/53
KELLY James COWAN Bridget 1855 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/14/53
KELLY James MAHON Bridget 1855 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/14/53
MAHON Bridget KELLY James 1855 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/14/53

Not C of E, which would fit with an Irishman

The census I was looking at was all Saints the names on it were Harriet Mulloy , John Digman, Bridget Oak, Catherine Oak, Caroline Mulloy, James Bard, John Frances, I didn't see another one.

The marriage I'm thinking about is James Kelly and Bridget Mahon,
When I was looking into this a few year back I was concentrating on my Gr Grandfather and wondering if his name was James or James Joseph I went for James Joseph But Looking at the GRO for James and his brother Thomas I've realised that Bridget Mahon had both son where the one I followed only had James Joseph. Like you have above

Also Bridget Mahon was married before according to Lancashire BMD the other name was Cowen so I'm taking it that Mahon was her MN and Cowen was her 1st marriage?

Not sure which 1851 census Think it might be the Visitor one ??
I've no idea who his parents were It's only today when I found the marriage in 1855 I thought they were married in Ireland ?

At least they are single so it matches with the marriage

Thank you

If this is a direct line, you must know which of his children is your ancestor. So, what was his/her name and where/when was he/she born?

Use the various free resources to get factual info about your known family line

Not sure what you mean

This James Kelly is My Gr Gr Granddad But I never new anything about him Tales I heard growing up have turned out to be wrong I always thought my gran was from Ireland ??-- born Manchester
I was told by another relative that my Gr Grand dad came over here when he was about 5 ?? as far as I've made out with censuses he was born in Manchester
So this one 1818 born Ireland

So I've tried but if you can recommend some thing else to do I'm all ears

Thank you

If this man is your gr gr grandfather, one of his children MUST be your gr grandparent.

What was that person’s name? Straightforward question. Which person named Kelly was your gr grandparent?

Use facts to work back - what you have been told may not necessarily be accurate

That's what I have done
My gran Catherine Kelly Have her Marriage father down as James Joseph? not sure if this is a slip up as she married a Joseph
My Gr Grandfather James Joseph according to my Grans Marriage certificate BUT on his marriage certificate his name is down as James and his fathers name is James

This is the James Is the one I'm trying to get info on?

Going off James Joseph That I followed his mother was Hogan but she is down on GRO as just having James Joseph
But the 1861 census above has also Thomas So going off both boys having the same mother I've got their mother as Bridget Mahon as GRO shows above

Thats as far as I've been able to go but I've found out that James and Bridget Mohan married 1855 so to get James fathers name I'll have to get the marriage certificate

So I am going off what I find out but trying to verify what I have and this is why I come on here Because I value the help I get and it does help me to verify or makes me realise I've done some thing wrong

So thank you for the help I've had today

The other thread referred to by Sylann:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1354730

So, please tell us when Catherine was born - and where.

Have you done anything about trying to find out Catherine’s mother’s name?

Right this is what I have

Catherine Kelly b 1886-1966 Manchester Married Joseph Turner
James Kelly b 1857 Manchester Married Catherine Fox in 1882
James Kelly b 1819 Ireland - Bridget Mahon

That looks to make sense.

The birth I posted for James 1857 has MMN Mahon, so if you get a copy of the 1855 marriage cert, you’ll learn James’s father’s name and occupation - providing James knew his father.

Don’t get hung upon the idea of a birth in Ireland - be flexible in your thinking

BTW - have you found Catherine’s birth on the GRO index? You NEED to verify her mother’s maiden name to verify that the Kelly/Fox marriage is actually relevant

James Kelly 1857 actually born in Chorlton:

As already posted:
KELLY, JAMES mms MAHON
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 470

So far, I don't see the birth of a Catherine Kelly with mms Fox.

No, nor do I. that’s why I asked the question ;-)

Only one Kelly/Fox female birth in the period 1884-1888. Annie in Sheffield.

The OP may need to re-think her grandmother’s parentage