Genealogy Chat

I have one Albert Edward Pattinson, born Carlisle 22 November 1887. He appears in the subsequent census records until 1901. By 1911 he was living here in New Zealand. He was supposedly the son of Hannah Pattinson, but I think she was really his grandmother. I have been to Carlisle to get his birth certificate, but there was no record of the birth. He was brought up in Whitehaven and I have all that information. Why would he not have a birth certificate and how could he have got a passport? I have tried in vain to get the record - can anyone help?? Janet Smith

Why has this been deleted? My post? Or a reply??

I`d say at a guess that he either wasn`t registered or was registered under a different surname..

A quick check on freeBMD shows no Albert Edward births registered in Carlisle between 1st Oct 1887 and 31st March 1888.


nicky

Do you think he's Ellen's son?

Rose

These are the only Albert births for those 2 quarters in Carlisle.

Do any of these surnames ring a bell?

Births Dec 1887 (>99%)
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MCAVOY Albert Carlisle 10b 467

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Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
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ELLISON Albert Ernest Carlisle 10b 471
MURPHY Albert Carlisle 10b 459
PEARSON Albert Carlisle 10b 453
ZELLER Albert George Carlisle 10b 475




Nicky

I have thought he was Ellen's son, but she actually gave birth to a John Key the same year so had to discount that idea! Where did you get Ellen from? I tend to think Albert may have been the son of Ellen's sister, Annie, however she would have only be about 14 at the time, not impossible I know. Ellen married John's father (she was 15) but seemed to dump them both some time later. I have got a lot of information about her and John. Albert is the mystery!

Thank you for the Carlisle Alberts! I have also looked at those possibilities, but seem to be a no go.

Have checked the migration lists on FMP and there are no Albert Pattinsons going to New Zealand 1901-1911


Nicky

Is this the John Key birth you mention? If so it is 2 years before Alberts..


Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
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Key John Whitehaven 10b 621


Nicky

You mention that you know Albert was already in New Zealand by 1911...have you seen his arrival documents, if so what name did he travel under, and when did he arrive? and who did he travel out there with..?



Nicky

No, not that John Key. I have all the info re "my"John Key, but thank you anyway. I have also previously checked migration and couldn't find Albert. I wondered if he came here as a crewman and jumped ship? He was only about 15 though, not sure if that would be a possibility. I have his war service record - served with the NZ Army during WW1- still no birth certificate there!

This ones certainly a mystery......will give it more thought, but must get to bed now its nearly 1am here.....


Nicky

Janet,

To save us going over what you already know, it would help if you could list more details or births and marriages for these relatives. I can't see Hannah with her husband or Annie in any census.

Rose

Could you please post the information you have re your John Key?

Have not been able to find an official arrival into NZ, that's why I have wondered if he jumped ship. However, haven't checked that for some time, so should have another look. Albert's "mother" (grandmother??) had died and he would have come to join his "sister" (birth mother???) who was already living in NZ. It is a mystery all right!! (You are a late nighter!!!)

Janet

stretching here



is it possible that he was not registered in Carlisle??

And that he was registered with only one forename, which was not unusual. A second forename may be given at baptism, or just "added", bu tthe birth registration would not be changed



There is this Edward Pattinson


Births Mar 1888 (>99%)

PATTINSON Edward Whitehaven 10b 602





sylvia

Thanks Madmeg but I have all the information I need on John Key. Janet

Thanks Rose, I have several census records for Hannah and also for her and young Albert for 1891. Hannah died in 1900 and Albert was with his "sister" Ellen, in 1901. I'm just wondering if I could search his baptism records? He was living in Whitehaven so was probably christened there. I also have all the information I need at present re Annie - have several census records for her. Thank you for your help. Janet

How do you know his exact DOB if you haven't got his birth cert? Did he marry and give a father's name on his marriage cert?

Have you got his marriage or death cert.?

Albert Edward Pattinson married 1915 to Margaret Eva Turner. His death cert should have both his parents names if known by the informant. Also how long he lived in the country

Margaret