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John Burnside 21 Brigade Royal Artilley. Irish

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Ian

Ian Report 25 Nov 2019 15:17

Does anyone know how I can obtain a marriage certificates for a couple married in Jersey. I am anxious to trace the marriage of John Burnside a Gunner in the Royal Artillery to Margaret Ryan who married on 14th April 1866 in Jersey.. My reason for this is to trace the names of their fathers in order to continue the line further back.Does anyone have access to Find my past because I've been told they contain some army records.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Nov 2019 15:32

Will take a look on FMP

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 25 Nov 2019 15:41

Nothing coming up

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Nov 2019 15:45

it is on a previous post


Name: Gunner John Burnside
Event: Marriage
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 14 Apr 1866
Marriage Place: Jersey
Spouse: Margaret Ryan

from ancestry

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Nov 2019 15:55

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1380572


Margaret Ryan was born in Clonmel, Tipperaray

Birth year uncertain - c1841-45.
Aged 28 on 1871 census (see other thread); 40 in 1881; 46 in 1891.

There were several Margaret Ryans baptised in Clonmel in that timeframe.

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Nov 2019 16:01

Jersey Archive

Address:
Clarence Road
St Helier
Jersey JE2 4JY

Tel: +44 (0) 1534 833333
Fax: +44 (0) 1534 833301

Website

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Nov 2019 16:07

Info re getting marriage cert:

https://tinyurl.com/w8dhk4o


The Office of the Superintendent Registrar,
Superintendent Registrar: Claire Follain

10 Royal Square
St. Helier
Jersey
JE2 4WA

Phone number
01534 441335
Email address
sir@gov.je


Form to request copy of cert, with list of fees:

https://tinyurl.com/uwkje2y

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Nov 2019 16:25

Image on Ancestry gives no further useful info:


Gunner John Burnside
in the UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
Name: Gunner John Burnside
Event: Marriage
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 14 Apr 1866
Marriage Place: Jersey
Spouse: Margaret Ryan


Bachelor and spinster.
Witnesses: W Burnside and (M ?) Murray.

That's the Regimental Registry of Marriages, not an actual marriage cert.

21st Brigade Royal Regiment of Artillery.

Ian

Ian Report 25 Nov 2019 16:25

Thanks to everyone for all your help. I will certainly try Jersey. Does anyone have access to army records?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Nov 2019 16:37

I don't see any military record for him on Ancestry.

Ian

Ian Report 25 Nov 2019 16:44

Thanks for info off ancestry. The witnesses are interesting. I wonder who W.Burnside is? Could he have a brother in the army perhaps? . I don't know of any link with a Murray.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Nov 2019 16:46

Occupation of the the Portsmouth Forts

Fort Elson
1869 March Detachment 21st Brigade Royal Artillery

https://victorianforts.co.uk/rga.htm


John & Margaret's daughter Mary Ellen was born on Portsea Island 1868 - see other thread.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Nov 2019 16:53

According to 1871 census John was born in Ireland c1819 - age 52.

But looking at the image, it could well be 32, which would certainly be a lot nearer Margaret's age.

That would make his birth c1839, so this would be his death:

Deaths Jun 1878 (>99%)
BURNSIDE John 40 Woolwich 1d 623

Margaret was a widow in 1881 census.

ADDED:
In fact, there is a note added to the Regimental record of son John (Angus)'s birth, to say "Gr Burnside died at Woolwich 24/4/78."

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Nov 2019 17:22

Her mother could have re-married.

Although.............is this her death?

Name: Lucy Ryan
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1892
Death Age: 87
Registration district: Tipperary
Volume: 3
Page: 467
FHL Film Number: 101597

Perhaps Flannery was her maiden name?

Just tossing ideas around..................

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Nov 2019 17:27

Name: Elizabeth Burnside
Event: Baptism
Birth Date: 11 Apr 1873
Baptism Date: 4 May 1873
Baptism Place: Dublin
Father: John Burnside
Mother: Margaret Burnside

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Nov 2019 17:28

Don't know if relevant -

Lucy Flannery was born c1805 in Ireland, per the 1871 census, and Margaret Ryan was born in Co Tipperary.

Lucy Ryan
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
Name: Lucy Ryan
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1892
Death Age: 87
Registration district: Tipperary
Volume: 3
Page: 467
FHL Film Number: 101597

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Nov 2019 17:35

Can't access irishgenealogy.ie today - keep getting a security warning.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Nov 2019 17:47

Name: Elizth Burnside
Discharge Age: 25
Record Type: Discharge
Birth Date: abt 1873
Discharge Date: 8 Jul 1898
Discharge Place: Greenwich, Woolwich, London, England

Ian

Ian Report 25 Nov 2019 19:17

Lucy Flannery was certainly born c1805 if we are to accept the 1871 census. After that she disappears..

Ian

Ian Report 25 Nov 2019 19:22

Elizabeth Burnside was certainly born in 1873 when John was stationed just outside Dublin but this is strange. I wonder if she worked for the army is some capacity. We do know she was employed as an hospital ironer alongside her sister Theresa during the 1901 census. I wonder if the army employed her as a nurse or auxillary.