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Brick Wall
My family have tried to trace back my great great grandfather for years now with no leads past 1901 Census.

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1939 Reg. - 17 Russell Terrace, St Stephens, Saltash
William T Basford - General Labourer
Elizabeth Ann Basford (Scott) - Unpaid
Amy E Basford - Domestic Servant - St Germans, Saltash

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Cen 1921 - CANT FIND

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Cen 1911 - 17 Russell Terrace, St Stephens, Saltash
(30) William Theodore Basford 4/9/1881 - Farmer Labourer - Born Landrake
(30) Elizabeth Ann Basford - 27/11/1880
(7) George Henry Basford 1904 - St Germans, Saltash
(5) Beatrice Mary Basford - 12/4/1905 - St Germans, Saltash
(1) Violet May Basford - 11/4/1909 - St Germans, Saltash

Completed themselves and he states born in Landrake.

[Mention of 1 child who died] - Death Reg in St Germans FOUND - Ernest William Basford 1906-1907 Died 26 Dec 1907 - Likely their child

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Married 1903 - Elizabeth Ann Scott - In Devonport, Devon (Same area)

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Cen 1901
(19) William Basford - Servant - Shillingham Farm, Saltash (This fits with area and occupation)

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NOTHING BEFORE THIS LINKS


FOUND one William Basford 1881 BUT Born in Cheshire:-

Cen 1891 - Jack Lane, Weston, Cheshire
(48) William Basford 1843 - Farmer - Wistaston, Cheshire
(47) Elizabeth Basford 1844 - Wife - Crewe, Cheshire
(21) Emma Basford 1870 -
(19) Sarah Basford 1872 - Stepeley, Cheshire
(13) Joseph Basford 1878 - Farmers Son - Weston, Cheshire
(10) William Basford 1881 - Born Weston, Cheshire

Fred Stubbs (17) Farm Servant
Alice

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Cen 1881 -
(38) William Basford [1843] - Farmer of 144 Acres
(37) Elizabeth Basford [1844] - wife (1844)
(11) Mary E Basford - scholar - Holbeck, Cheshire
(9) Sarah Basford [1872] - Stapeley, Cheshire
(6) Samuel Basford [1875] - Weston, Staffordshire
(3) Joseph Basford [1878] - Weston, Staffordshire
(1) Elizabeth Basford [1880] - Weston, Cheshire
(0) William Basford [1881] - Weston, Cheshire

Ann Oulton (24) 1857 - Agr, Labourer- Shapeley, Cheshire - NIECE
Elizabeth Brown (23) 1858 - Domestic Servant - Cotton, Cheshire
William Davies (14) 1867 - Arg. Labourer - Shavington, Cheshire
Mary J Mason (14) 1867 - Nurse -

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Maybe he moved to Cornwall as it would fit with occupation as Farmer ?
BUT:-

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FOUND That William in
Cen 1901 in Cheshire Still

(57) Elizabeth Basford - Farmer Head
(29) Sara Basford - Farmers Daughter
(23) Joseph Basford - Farmers Son
(20) William Basford - Farmers Son
(18) Alice Basford - Farmers Daughter

Arthur Deneb (15) Stockman Cattle
Emma Stenton (14) Domestic Servant

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So dead end again :(

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I’ve even found a random

Ann Basford 1841 (20) - St Germans in Cen 1861
Working for a Captain Benjamin Hooper 1790 @ 6 Wellington Street, Torpoint (Same area, across water from St Germans, Saltash)

Completed by Benjamin so may have got her place of birth wrong?

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So thought I’d trace her back to see if any links back to St Germans, Saltash as could find the parents of William T Basford that we can’t find.

Cen 1851
(48) George Basford 1803 Cotton Fluk
(48) Elizabeth Basford 1803
(15) James Basford 1836 - Cotton Winder -
(13) John Basford 1838 - Cotton Winder -
(10) Ann Basford - Born Loughborough, Leicestershire
(8) Elizabeth Basford - Scholar
(4) Maria Basford - scholar

Cen 1841 using James as Ann likely not born yet -
FOUND one possible but dates/ages out, but likely this one:-

(35) George
(35) Elizabeth
(15) Joseph (1837)
(13) George (1828)
(11) Mary (1830)
(7) Thomas (1834)
(4) James (1837)
(2) John (1839)

Been trying to chace forward her brothers now to see if any links with st Germans - is this right?

Any help much appreciated !!

I’ve tried searching for newspapers in the area on here and some look promising, but the images are all blank on here for some reason - is it because I’m on an iPad?

LAURA THOMPSON ( Was Basford )

The 1921 census won’t be released until next year.

Have you discovered the Cornwall OPC. They have a first class data base.
Www.Cornwall-opc- database.org

Thanks. It shouldnt matter too much with 1921 census as would likely be in the same place... it’s his parents that I need to find, along with his birth place ect... b
It may give another clue I guess.

I’ll check that data base out. Thankyou

Do you have the marriage certificate - if so, can you please post all the details from it - names, ages, occupations, Father's details, witnesses.

If not you should probably get it for the details it has.

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Dec 1881 (>99%)
BASTARD William Theodore St Germans 5c 43

St German's RD includes Landrake with St Erney

Birth reg. from the GRO site - no mmn showing so illegitimate

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BASTARD, WILLIAM THEODORE -
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in ST. GERMANS Volume 05C Page 43

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Markwell, Landrake with St Erney, St Germans, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Wallace Clatworthy Head Married Male 39 1852 Farm Servant Landrake, Cornwall, England
Bessie Clatworthy Wife Married Female 28 1863 - St Germans, Cornwall, England
Emily E Clatworthy Daughter - Female 4 1887 - St Stephens, Cornwall, England
William H J Clatworthy Son - Male 2 1889 - St Stephens, Cornwall, England
William Bastard Visitor - Male 9 1882 - Landrake, Cornwall, England

Although he's listed as "visitor" in 1891, perhaps Bessie is his mother? - Or one of her siblings:

Wallace Clatworthy
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Wallace Clatworthy
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: St Germans
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 73
Records on Page:
Name
Bessie Besterd
Wallace Clatworthy

Bugger me...

Found him

William Theodore Bastard so possible transcription error or he changed it.

Baptism on 19 feb 1884 - record shows mother Susan Bastard but no father mentioned

Elizabeth Bestard
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Bestard
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: St Germans, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Landrake
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address: Landrake Village
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Serv. Domestic
Registration District: St Germans
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 2282
Folio: 21
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Panter 45
Mary P. Panter 44
Hannah R. J. Panter 28
John P. B. Panter 16
Minnie M. Jones 10
Elizabeth Bestard 17


Elizabeth Bastard
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Bastard
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: 1864
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: St Germans Cornwall England
Civil parish: St German
Ecclesiastical parish: Hessenford
Town: Narkurs
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: St Germans
Sub-registration district: St Germans
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 2230
Folio: 63
Page number: 14
Household Members Age Relationship
William Bastard 47 Head
Ann Bastard 50 Wife
Ann Bastard 50 Wife
William Lord 23 Stepson (Step Son)
John Lord 20 Stepson (Step Son)
Susan Bastard 14 Daughter <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Elizabeth Bastard 7 Daughter
Mary Bastard 5 Daughter

His birth certificate would name his Mother

In 1881 there are these Bastard families in Landrake -

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Landrake Village, Landrake with St Erney, St Germans, Cornwall, England
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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Bastard Head Widower Male 55 1826 Ag. Lab. St Germans, Cornwall, England
Mary Bastard Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Ag. Lab. Daur St Germans, Cornwall, England

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Landrake Village, Landrake with St Erney, St Germans, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Panter Head Married Male 45 1836 Farmer Of 136 Ac. Emplg. 3 Lab & 1 Boy Landrake, Cornwall, England
Mary P Panter Wife Married Female 44 1837 Farmers Wife Landrake, Cornwall, England
Hannah R J Panter Daughter Single Female 28 1853 Farmers Daur Landrake, Cornwall, England
John P B Panter Son Single Male 16 1865 Farmers Son Landrake, Cornwall, England
Minnie M Jones Visitor Single Female 10 1871 No Occ. Landrake, Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Bastard Servant Single Female 17 1864 Serv. Domestic St Germans, Cornwall, England

Elizabeth and Mary are probably sisters living with parents William and Ann in 1871 in St Germans (EDIT - plus Susan)

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Narkurs, St German, St Germans, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Bastard Head - Male 47 1824 - Cornwall, England
Ann Bastard Wife - Female 50 1821 - Devon, England
William Lord Step-Son - Male 23 1848 - Devon, England
John Lord Step-Son - Male 20 1851 - Devon, England
Susan Bastard Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Cornwall, England<<<<<<<
Elizabeth Bastard Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Cornwall, England
Mary Bastard Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Cornwall, England

Susan Bestard
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Susan Bestard
Gender: Female
Age: 33
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1858
Father: William Bestard
Child: Henry Bestard
Fred Bestard
Birth Place: St Germans, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Landrake with St Erney
Ecclesiastical parish: Landrake
Residence Place: Landrake, Landrake with St Erney, Cornwall, England
Registration District: St Germans
Sub registration district: Saltash
ED, Institution or Vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 1808
Folio: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bestard 67
Susan Bestard 33
Henry Bestard 4 - grandson
Fred Bestard 1 - grandson

Wow this is all amazing !!!! Thankyou soo much <3 <3 <3

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Pillaton Village, Pillaton, St Germans, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas V Pearce Head Married Male 35 1846 Master Carpenter Empl 1 Man & 2 Boys Pillaton, Cornwall, England
Ann T Pearce Wife Married Female 33 1848 - Landulph, Cornwall, England
John T Pearce Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Pillaton, Cornwall, England
Florence Pearce Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Pillaton, Cornwall, England
Rosina Pearce Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Pillaton, Cornwall, England
Olive A Pearce Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Pillaton, Cornwall, England
Horace C Pearce Daughter Single Male 1 1880 - Pillaton, Cornwall, England
Susan Bastard Servant Single Female 25 1856 Domestic Servant St Germans, Cornwall, England <<<<<<<

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1867 (>99%)
BASTARD William St. Germans 5c 63
Lord Anne St. Germans 5c 63


He didn't wait long to remarry -

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Sep 1866 (>99%)
Bastard Susan 41 St. Germans 5c 27

Possible births of the grandsons in 1891 census above:

Births Jun 1887 (>99%)
Bastard William Henry St. Germans 5c 33


Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
Bastard Frederick Edward G P St. Germans 5c 43


Can't get GRO site to work at the moment (keeps giving me an error message ) , so don't know if these are more illegitimate children of Susan or not.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BASTARD, SUSANNA PENINAH HARTOP
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 46

BASTARD, ELIZABETH ANN HARTOP
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 53

BASTARD, MARY KITTY HARTOP
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 50

the 2 births that AG posted - from GRO

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BASTARD, FREDERICK EDWARD GEORGE PAWLEY -
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 43

BASTARD, WILLIAM HENRY CROSSMAN
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 33

GRO now working.

Three illegitimate births_

BASTARD, ALBERT EDWARD CLATWORTHY -
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 38


BASTARD, FREDERICK EDWARD GEORGE PAWLEY -
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 43

BASTARD, JAMES HENRY -
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in ST.GERMANS Volume 05C Page 44


Albert Edward may be a son of Bessie/Elizabeth.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1850 (>99%)
Bastard William St Germans 9 121 <<<<<<<<<
Crossman Joanna St Germans 9 121
Hortop Susannah St Germans 9 121 <<<<<<<<
Trevethan Isaac St Germans 9 121


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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hessenford, St Germans, Cornwall, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Bastard Head Widower Male 75 1776 Ag Lab Kingsbridge, Devon, England
William Bastard Husband Married Male 26 1825 Ag Lab St Germans, Cornwall, England
Susan Bastard Wife Married Female 27 1824 - Talland, Cornwall, England
Martha Bastard Daughter - Female 0 1851 - St Germans, Cornwall, England

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BASTARD, MARTHA ANN HARTOP
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in ST GERMANS UNION Volume 09 Page 115

https://cornwall-opc-database.org

Day Month 19-Feb
Year 1884
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Landrake with St. Erney
Forename William Theodore
Surname BASTARD
Sex
Age Or Date Of Birth
Father Forename
Mother Forename Susan
Residence Landrake Church Town
Parish
Status Or Occupation Single Woman
Where Baptised
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber Angela Wood