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nameslessone

nameslessone Report 20 Dec 2020 17:25

Just what we need!

RolloTheRed

RolloTheRed Report 20 Dec 2020 18:14

The Lurgi strikes Britain

https://tinyurl.com/t5fl5c7

Florence61

Florence61 Report 20 Dec 2020 18:50

Kath, I spoke with brother and mum today and she is in their bubble. So brother who lives 3 miles away will pickup mum on xmas day have the dinner and bring her back. She has actually accepted she cannot go to other brother's house on Boxing day. I think she had now realised how important it is to keep safe and is not moaning anymore..

We here are going up from tier 1 to 3 but myself and daughter live together and have no visitors anyway. We have the food we need and the cupboard is stocked with tins etc so no need to go shopping for a couple of weeks.

i bought a frozen turkey yesterday for £18.oo and managed to get it in the freezer with a bit of sorting!

Im not surprised at the news and i still know of people who are carrying on regardless and so selfish! one friend i have is moaning they cant go abroad for new year.!!!! Says it all really.

Florence in the hebrides

Kense

Kense Report 20 Dec 2020 21:29

Operation Cygnus was carried out in 2018 to test the UK's response to a pandemic. The results and recommendations were largely ignored by the Government which resulted in them being totally unprepared for a Covid situation (eg shortage of PPE).

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 20 Dec 2020 21:53

It's interesting that the Government refused to make public the Cygnus report, until
October of this year, after they were threatened with being sued.
It's a pretty frightening read when, as Kense said, the Government ignored it.

If you want to read it, just search for 'exercise cygnus report'.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Dec 2020 22:07

Yes, the thalidomide disaster was horrible.

However, I doubt we have to even think about a similar thing happening during covid .................. if the EU and the UK follow the same plans as the US and Canada.

It is known that none of the covid vaccines, neither the ones approved over here (Pfizer and Moderna) nor the ones still in testing, have been tested on any of the following ................

a. People who have had covid and have antibodies from that
b. children
c. pregnant women
d. anyone who was not a healthy individual between the ages of 18 or 21 and around 40 or 45.

As a result .................. no-one in those groups is being given the vaccine, especially children and pregnant women

It is unknown as to whether people in care homes or health care workers who are first in line for the vaccine and who have had covid will react, but the intent is to vaccinate all of them. People who know that they do have antibodies are being asked here not to get the vaccine when it is offered to them.

It might be those people and all of us who are over 80 and next in line will be the guinea pigs who will show some evil responses.

It has already been shown that people who have severe allergies should not accept the vaccination if they are susceptible to anaphylactic shock to their allergies.

As a guard against severe reactions, it is now being recommended that people wait for 15 minutes after vaccination before leaving the medical centre where they receive it, so that medical staff can be available in the event of an immediate reaction.

Doctors would never dare try vaccines on pregnant women again after thalidomide, and it is believed that children suffer less than people over the age of 18.

Still to be definitely proved ..... they might end upp being asymptomatic superspreaders.


In conclusion ....... I would warn against raising the ghost of thalidomide babies, as the medical profession has been well aware of the problem since that horrible time, except in terms of warning pregnant women, or women who might be in the early stages of pregnancy that they should not risk getting the vaccine until more is known about it.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Dec 2020 22:11

Island ....................

you need not only a strong leader, as in NZ, but you also need a population that will respond to that leader in a positive way.

THAT is what is saved NZ.

The UK does not have that.

Canada had both during the first wave, but the second wave is worse than the first one was, people are tired, and not reacting in the same way to Trudeau and the provincial health officers ................... covidiots reign, and we have had surging numbers.

I doubt very much that the UK would be in much better situation if Boris and his people had been strong from the beginning ......... and after all, Trump is poking his nose into your business, as per usual.

Kense

Kense Report 21 Dec 2020 09:02

There is a theory that Boris exaggerated the effects of the new virus strain to reduce the blame he is suffering from cancelling most of Christmas. However other countries are taking him at his word, with the result that the main downside of our exiting the customs union is happening eleven days early.

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 21 Dec 2020 09:36

I heard that too, Kense.
It seems about right.
The virus can't be only mutating in the UK, it's happening everywhere, but by focussing on it, other countries have to react.
Weird how the 'mutation' reached it's apparent peak just after Parliament had closed for Christmas, and MPs had gone to their 2nd or 3rd homes out of London.

RolloTheRed

RolloTheRed Report 21 Dec 2020 10:09

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
Johnson's loose speechifying has kicked off by far the biggest crisis since the Miners strikes.
Even if the French lift their illegal blockade at least for trucks it would take weeks to sort out the mess in normal times. Only it is not normal times.

Hancock, Gove, Truss, Rishi and Johnson are these the fine strong leaders Sylvie says we need?

All political careers end in failure but few in catastrophe. A hard lesson.

Island

Island Report 21 Dec 2020 11:24

Sylvia.........




Perhaps NZ politicians and sundry wealthies didn't flout the rules and have their PM, basically, laughing it off!!!

The general public, on the whole, WERE complying!

Doubt about the severity of the virus crept in after Cummings et al made it clear the rules weren't for them. Hardly surprising that the public started 'misbehaving' too!

LEAD - BY - EXAMPLE!!!
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As for the crowded beach scenes in the summer and now crowds shopping. Manipulated photographs!
The crowded railway stations and packed motorways as Londoners flee the capital ahead of tier 4. More media manipulation! These people had probably planned to spend Christmas with family further north anyway, so well done Boris for causing them all to travel on the same day!

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 21 Dec 2020 11:27

Agree, Island!

Island

Island Report 21 Dec 2020 11:31

Cheers Maggie :-D

PatinCyprus

PatinCyprus Report 21 Dec 2020 11:31

Other countries reporting mutations - Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark and Australia.

Seven days in an isolation hotel then a Covid test that has to be negative before being allowed out - for all those coming here from UK.

JoyLouise

JoyLouise Report 21 Dec 2020 11:36

I spoke with an ex-colleague in Victoria, Oz, yesterday and they have now had 40+ days covid-free. They have just closed their borders again as far as NSW is concerned because there has been another outbreak in Sydney.

She told me that for the most part people in Victoria obeyed the rules. Also, I know from an ex-colleague now in WA (where Allan is) that her granddaughter was caught out when she was visiting another state and was unable to get home for ages once the state borders were closed.

Surprisingly, most people in OZ were better behaved than elsewhere in the western world.

The beaches in Bournemouth were crowded on more than one occasion during the summer, according to my cousin in Bournemouth. It is her local beach and even she kept away when she saw what was going on. To say that she was a bit miffed would be an understatement!

Barbra

Barbra Report 21 Dec 2020 11:49

People will do as they want a fact our PM tried with lock down but who listened partied. traveling up & down the country we can't police every border not enough law officers but saying that if folk listened & helped by staying put maybe it wouldn't have spread so quickly I am so fed up of it all in our Area level 2 Dumfries Galloway but Ayrshire it's 3 so we have to stay put our local shops are open two supermarkets Co op.we have plenty of food untill panick buying my thoughts we are a greedy lot lets get back to basic keep safe Barbara

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 21 Dec 2020 12:55

Every country will have mutations of covid - that's what viruses do!

However, our 'PM' emphasising it, in order to save face over getting Christmas wrong, and ensuring MP's could leave London, has enabled the EU to show us exactly what could happen with a 'no deal' Brexit.

As for 'staying put' - who instigated the 'Eat Out to Help Out' scheme - oh! that will be the Government. Yes, people listened to the PM - went out, ate out, and increased the infection rate.
I should imagine children travelling to and from school, with covid cases in almost every school, has helped transmit the virus, too. Overstuffed school buses don't help, either.
The government forced schools to stay open (apart, of course fro Eton, and I'm darned sure, other Private schools) despite schools saying the infection situation was getting out of hand.

RolloTheRed

RolloTheRed Report 21 Dec 2020 14:10

To some extent a pandemic can be controlled in a given territory by tight border controls at the early stage and an effective trace, test and isolate system. If the virus gets some sort of grip anyway then patients should be treated in isolation hospitals such as Nightingales not general hospitals which cannot be adapted for effective virus transmission control hence the large number of nhs workers who have ended up with covid.

The UKGovt failed in all of this durirng the first "wave" and has now repeated all the same mistakes in the second wave with a sawtooth pattern if relax and then return to controls.

It has compounded this with follies such as the mobile phone smart app and the predictably useless "Tier" scheme by which Boris hoped to preserve a merry little Christmas - there has been no science support for this hare brained policy.

In case it could not get any worse the arch idiot Williamson backed up by Rishi Sunak has been desperate to get kids and students back to school for reasons of budget, paye and uni fees. That the kids and students are by far the most effective spreaders has been ignored despite the ever mounting evidence in Greater London and the SE.

The Ninja Mutant Turtle covid virus has been around for months , not only in the UK, and has been wreaking havoc in G London since October thanks to kids returning to school. Those unfamiliar with London inside the A406 may be surprised to learn that most secondary schools are three stories high with the kids packed in like sardines. There is little in any play space. An ideal hunting crowd for the virus. Teachers over 50 are terrified with many over 60 taking early retirement thus exacerbating staffing problems.

The EU level of trust in Johnson is low going back to his days as a journo with the Telegraph ( who sacked him for telling porkies). His brexit antics have done little to improvematters. So yesterdays maladroit speech was the nail in the coffin. When and whether the French resume cross channel trucking is anybody's guess - the Elysee has committed to it but the population want a ban until London is no longer in Tier4 - which could be months.

However we got ino the present pickle there is only one effective option. That is to stop the virus in whatever variant from spreading. The spreaders in chief are not the old and vulnerable (who don't move around very much) but the children, students and those under about 25. They should be the prime target for an emergency vaccination especially in the poverty stricken areas of the major cities. There is good evidence that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines reduce/remove transmission risk as well as giving protection.

That won't happen of course. Instead through this winter there will be a snail like implementation of vaccination - there does not seem to be a coherent plan or budget - while "R" remains well over 1. It will extend its lethal grip into Southampton, Bournemouth & Poole, Plymouth sooner rather than later leaving only the Cornish and the IOW relatively free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCns4w3GA9A

Caroline

Caroline Report 21 Dec 2020 14:33

Your schools must be full of the virus, here ALL children have to wear masks all of the time inside. In theory, they were meant to distance during playtime of course that was never going to happen, so now many wear the mask while playing too. Recently they started doing testing for the virus in schools and have found high numbers no surprise there. That said it has so far been in areas where there's a lot of the virus in the community already...so chicken and egg situation. Also looking at pictures from the UK often you see shoppers not wearing masks outside the stores as they walk along the road...crazy...even if I'm just walking by I'll pop a mask on!

**Ann**

**Ann** Report 21 Dec 2020 15:09

They are Caroline, no masks in Primary and only in communal areas in secondary schools.

However the schools have no control as to how the children behave when the school bell rings at the end of the day.

Living near two large secondary schools I see hoards of them mingling together on their way home...play fighting etc...it’s what kids do


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