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Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 17:34

I am researching WW! veterans that appear on our local church War memorial and would really appreciate some help from finer brains than mine on solving a conundrum.

I have a
Gustavus Coyne
he was a Corporal with the Royal Horse and Field Artillery soldier no. 2755
I believe he was born in Dewsbury c1881 as Gustavus P Coyne-Gardiner although on his war casualty CWGC record he is just listed as Gustavus Coyne.
He married in 1909 and there is a widows' pension record for his wife Ella and son Terence
However this is my problem - I cannot find him Anywhere on a Census at all and it's driving me crazy!

I may be missing something along the way (like a brain ) but would really be glad of a fresh pair of eyes on this.

Many thanks :-)

safc

safc Report 29 Nov 2018 17:45

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Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

26 Eastborough Scarborough, Scarborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

Ella Coyne's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ella Coyne Head Married Female 31 1880 Dressmaker Durham Sunderland

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Nov 2018 17:47

So, you've just deleted all the stuff I'd posted on find Ancestors where you posted originally.

Never mind you had the info - WE don't know what info you have, so posting as finding.

You didn't post the name Patrick nor addresses from the Pension records which may help , nor that his residence was Scarborough -





greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Nov 2018 17:50

British Armed Forces, First World War Widows' Pension Forms

First name(s) Gustavus Patrick
Last name Coyne
Service number 2755
Regiment Royal Field Artillery
Service branch Army
Death year 1917
Cause of death Killed in action
Marriage year 1909
Spouse's first name(s) Ella
Spouse's last name Coyne
Child's first name(s) Terence George Gardiner Coyne
Child's birth year 1914
Archive reference PIN 82/39/27
Archive The National Archives
Country Great Britain
Record set British Armed Forces, First World War Widows' Pension Forms
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War

Married 20,. 4 1909

Address originally 9 (L?)eading Post Street, Scarborough, changed to 5 Prospect Place, Bland's Cliff

malyon

malyon Report 29 Nov 2018 17:50


Gustavus P C Coyne-Gardiner
England and Wales Birth Registration Index
Name Gustavus P C Coyne-Gardiner
Event Type Birth Registration
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1881
Registration District Dewsbury
County Yorkshire
Event Place Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England
Volume 9B
Page 698
Affiliate Line Number 62

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Nov 2018 17:51

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First name(s) Gustavus Patrick
Last name Coyne
Birth year -
Death year 1917
Death date 15 Mar 1917
Number W/2755
Rank Corporal
Unit "v" 38th Heavy Trench Mortar Bty.
Regiment Royal Field Artillery
Grave reference II. D. 25.
Cemetery or memorial Bard Cottage Cemetery
Burial country Belgium
Link
https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead
War First World War, 1914-1918
Record set Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
© Commonwealth War Graves Commission

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Nov 2018 17:53

Soldiers Died In The Great War 1914-1919

First name(s) Gustavus Patrick
Last name Coyne
Service number 2755
Rank Cpl.
Regiment Royal Horse Artillery And Royal Field Artillery
Battalion -
Residence Scarborough, Yorks
Birth place -
Enlistment place Portmadoc, Carnarvon
Death year 1917
Death day 15
Death month 3
Cause of death Killed in action
Death place France & Flanders
Theatre of war Western European Theatre
Supplementary Notes -
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 17:59

Greyghost - my deepest apologies. I realised I had posted on the wrong board and didn't want to cause problems by having it on 2 boards.

I am sorry if I haven't been clear on the info. I already have. It's been a while since I have posted on here.

I have the CWGC record.
and the widows pension record for Mrs Ella Coyne of 5 prospect Place, Blands Cliff, Scarborough, formerly 9 Leading Post Street.

But then as safc pointed out on the 1911 census ella is living in Eastboroug.

However there is no Gustavus on the 1911 and I can't find him on any other census.

Again my sincere apologies for any frustration I have caused, I am most grateful for
any responses and help of people's valuable time

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Nov 2018 17:59

View UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920

Name: Gustavus Patrick Coyne
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Corporal
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Royal Artillery (Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery)
Regimental Number: W/2755
Sub Unit: Royal Field Artillery
Previous Units: R.F.A. (W/2755 Cpl)
Other Records: Search for 'Gustavus Patrick Coyne' in other WWI collections

Entitled to British Medal and Victory Medal

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 18:00

safc thank you

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Nov 2018 18:00

Photo of grave here

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/11556164

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 18:03

maylon thank you

malyon

malyon Report 29 Nov 2018 18:03

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
COYNE Gustavus Patrick Warrington 8c 343 view
DALE Ella Warrington 8c 343

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 18:06

Thank you for that Greyghost - can you think of any reason he wouldn't show on any census since his birth?

I have to admit I am stumped and as I am researching 31 veterans my brain is a bit numb now I am down to the last 3/4 difficult to find ones

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 18:09

thank Malyon for the marriage info

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Nov 2018 18:14

Did you notice he joined up in Wales? Could he be there?

Was he going by Gustavus or Patrick?

Do you have a copy of the marriage certificate to see what his occupation was - it may have been one that took him away from home. It would also name his Father if he knew him.

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 18:18

Hi Greyghost

I did notice he enlisted in Wales and haven't had any luck finding him there so far.

i don't have certificates for any of the veterans I am researching. As I said theree are 31 of them and it would prove too expensive for me to purchase them.

I am trying to put together a book of Remembrance to honour those , on the church memorial, who made the ultimate sacrifice

greyghost

greyghost Report 29 Nov 2018 18:21

GRO birth mmn Fletcher. Shows Coyne as a given name not as part of surname. Which is correct?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
GARDINER, GUSTARUS PATRICK COYNE mmn FLETCHER Order
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in DEWSBURY Volume 09B Page 698 Order

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 18:21

Please don't spend more valuable time on this (I have spent days)
I just posted in the vain hope that someone might have an idea of where else to look.

I feel suitably chastised for my lack of detailed posting and should I post another request I will post all the info I have! :-D

Thanks everyone for your input.

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 18:26

Thank you Greyghost I didn;t have that level of detail on the birth.

My starting point was the name on the memorial which is Gustavus Coyne so I have followed it through from there.

I am not a super experienced genealogist just an enthusiastic amateur who perhaps volunteered for a task which was biting off a lot ore than I could chew!