Genealogy Chat

Fudge1....Hey Gill.have emailed you about the marriage of Mr. Gorse..and yor information that he married a Mary Maddocks.....becomes increasingly hilarious......and your informant increasingly inept..when i tell you that Joseph Gorse married Mary SHARP at Mackworth 18.07.1819....and the WITNESSES were.....intake of anticipatory breath.....John Shepherd............GULP.........and......MARY MADDOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You've tried the rest....now believe the best!! lololol

Derek

Margaret.....can't help you with Staffordshire..sorry

Hi Derek..thankyou for the email.so funny..you crack me up.! ever thought of going into comedy lol...
Rest assured i never ever pinch from other people,s trees unless i run it by"THE MASTER" first!


Thankyou Derek,

GillX

PS who's going to tell him me or you?..ha ha

Hey fudge..my real name is Billy Connolly

Ha! was about to say you're wasted on here..but you're so not.

Thankyou again Derek.. off to bed with the giggles now!!

Gillx

Hi Derek/Billy.. please could you have another look at Levi GORST1791 Mackworth
because he is showing on IGI as the son of James and Sarah(Ratcliff)
He married an Elizabeth Dufty(no jokes please!) at Radford...

many thanks, AGAIN !
Gill x

Hi Fudge.....This family is SO difficult!!..One minute its Gorse then Gorst and again Gosse.........I didn't look at Gorst!!

Jame GORSE married Sarah Ratcliff 21.05.1791

LEVI was their first born but he was a GORST (21.08.1791)..so Sarah was six months up the club when they married!!

Joseph 22.03.1793..Catherine 30.04.1795.and Thomas 27.08.1797..were also all GORST......all apparently registered or baptised at St. Werbergh.

Then James/Ann/Henry and Samuel are all GORSE!!.........

Derek

Hi Derek,when i looked on IGI it gave Levi's birth bapt and Death all in the same year? would you be able to check that for me please..when you have time of course..lol

thankyou so much sorry to be such a pain! but it was YOU who told me about the name GORST!! in the first place.

ha ha Gillx

Hi Derek,

Just wondering if you have been into Matlock for any research on my "Winchesters"...

Look forward to hearing from you..

Cheers.
Karen of Brisbane

Yoikes!! Derek..you pmd me the info on Levi when we had problems on here the other night..and i've deleted all my messages and now its gone!

So Sorry..are you able to come up with it again?

thankyou

Gill

Hey Fudge..here is a re-vamp and update on your info for LEVI GORST

James and Sarah Ratcliff (GORSE) were married 31.05.1791

Srah was 6 months pregnant:

Levi GORST bapt. 21.08.1791
Joseph GORST 22.05.1783
Catherine GORST 30.04.1795
Thomas GORST 27.08.1797

Now then, I wondered if perhaps GORST and GORST might be different families.because James and Sarah GORSE continued to preoduce kids till 1810..........like for 19 years??????

But it seems that my idea of GORST becoming GORSE in about 1800 stands up...perhaps a new Scribe was employed.....

Levi Gorse (no other birth for a LEVI) is recorded as bein buried 14.11.1891..son of James and Sarah...like 100 years old??..I think its more liely to be 14.11.1791 as an infant.......there is no recorded marriage for him.

Thomas GORST..now GORSE married Elizabeth Hinchcliffe 22.02.1810
JOSEPH GORSE (Schoolmaster) married Mary Potter 09.02.1815.

JOSEPH GORSE (wheelmaker and Turner) married MARY SHARP 18.07.1819

which means the dates are close enough for you to be very careful which one is your Joseph..........

The children of James and Sarah continue as GORSE after 1799.

James 21.12.1799...became a Blacksmith and married Mary Matilda Newham 19.10.1822
Ann 21.04.1802....died early
Henry 28.02.1803
Samuel 10.06.1805
Ann (No.2) 01.03.1808
William 25.04.1810

Any good????.I'll check the children of the two Joseph & Sarah msrriages

Derek

Derek thankyou so much for all this..and so sorry i had to trouble you again
and be a pain.
"Sarah was 6 months pregnant:" soooooooo what! lol

"GORSE continued to produce kids till 1810..........like for 19 years??????"
and whats wrong with that may i ask? lol

Thankyou again Derek for all this info, will keep me busy for a while,

Happy Star Wars Day! May the fourth....May the fourth be with you!!!

GillXX

Hi Derek

If you have the time and the records for Glossop and Charlesworth, would you be prepared to take on the almost impossible task of looking for a John Hall born either Charlesworth or Glossop in about 1808? The trouble is, we have no idea of who his parents were, or if he had any brothers or sisters.

We do know that he and his wife (Elizabeth Winterbottom) were married on 1st May 1831 at Manchester Cathedral, (witnesses are not names that appear to belong to the family), first child born in Glossop or Charlesworth in 1833, on all the censuses living in or around Glossop, worked as a mechanic (probably in one of the mills), somehow acquired enough money to buy 6 terraced houses in Glossop, died 1873 and is buried with wife and several children who died in childhood in a large tomb in the churchyard of Charlesworth Independent Chapel.

It is possible that his father may have been called Joseph as first son was called Joseph, and when he died as a baby, next son called Joe Francis.

I have looked through the records for Charlesworth Independent Chapel but not found a likely candidate.

With a name like John Hall, this is not so much like looking for a needle in a haystack as an individual needle in dressmaker's shop! However, any records which might fit would be gratefully received, and I can then try to track them all forwards to eliminate them, in the hopes of leaving the one gold thread amongst the dross!

Many thanks

Tina

Hi Tina..i do have some Glossop and district records..not necessarily what you want or need.....but I do go to Matlock Records Office from time to time, so will look at the full docs there.
I send you information that I have found..it may be misleading or irrelevant.that's for you to decide.
My Glossop Records (Baptisms) are for the few years 1796-1813..but the marriage records go further back but end at 1800..which is a bit of a pain!!

I can tell you the Hall family where probably in the Glossop area from about 1640..and one branch of the family came from Sheffield..Wilmus (William) son of Laurent married a Glossop girl 05.02.1639

and a John Hall married snother local girl 10.05.1645.

In the period in which you are interested there are THREE separate HALL families..or three related branches maybe........There are no Johns.

However JOHN HALL and SALLY ROBINSON were married about 1807 and had two children before 1813

JONATHAN..(???????) born 17.12.1809 baptised Glossop 21.01.1810
BETTY baptised 01.11.1807.

I thunk the other two HALL families are probably irrlevant because there is no John..

But we have a JOSEPH HALL son of GEORGE HALL and MARY JACKSON..22.05.1808..along with at least four siblings.....

As I say......Jonathan COULD be the John you want...or not..but its the nearest I can get at Glossop.
I have nothing..like you..at Charlesworth
Will keep digging

All the best

Derek

Thank you Derek. This is much appreciated. And you have already given me something to think about.

John Hall and Sally Robinson? My John Hall called his third daughter Sarah. Granted a very weak link, but a faint one nevertheless. I wonder what happened to John and Sally. There is a 60 year old John Hall living in Glossop in 1841 but he has a 15 year old John Hall living with him (no wife so probably a widower). The 15 year old could either be a son or a grandson. If we put consider the proposition that this is John Hall of John and Sally, and that their Jonathan is my John Hall, then the 15 year old is not his son, and since Jonathan was born 1809, say the next son was 2 years later, he would be a bit young to be the 15 year old's father. I suppose the 15 year old could be an illegitimate son of the eldest daughter. Hmm - all a bit tenuous. I will await further developments.

Thank you for your help

Tina

Hi again Tina...just to further confuse you.. i have a JOHN HALL b.03.01.1810..son of Thomas Hall and Betty(Elizabeth?) christened Hayfield. near Glossop.and.......
JOHN HALL 27.01.1811.at St.Mary's Independent ,Glossop...son of SAMUEL HALL and MARY nee SHAW....

There are two betty Hall's on the 1841 Glossop Census..one age 33 one aged 34....

Discard these at your leisure!!

Derek

Hi Derek...i'm almost too frightened to ask..lol
can i please take you back to John Askew who married a Hannah Gaunt 1810..Longford..she came as a package with daughter Elizabeth Gaunt 1834 Boylestone..


Well.. i came across Bastardy(hate that word)Papers
that state a child born in 1834..(same year as Elizabeth).was born to a Hannah Gaunt ..fathers name was Francis Harvey from Darley Abbey..Cotton Spinner.. is there any chance you can pick him up for me?
I really don't want to be accusing the wrong guy!! . he was a cotton spinner???

any help really appreciated ..as always.... have pmd you web site address...i know you have Elizabeth on your records....


(Ok Fudge.....Boylestone Records confirm the birth of Elizabeth Gaunt ilegitimate daughter of hannah Gaunt04.05.1834)


GillXX

Hi Gill.at the moment I have only a 1861 rcord of Francis Harvey born Darley 1811..married to Ann..(Hannah??)..who was a plasterer...

Will keep looking

Derek

Thankyou Derek.and i'll keep popping back!!! not sure who he married but certainly not Elizabeths mum Hannah.wonder if he's the daddy?

Gillx

Hi Steven..no i didn't.things kept going wrong..but I will...sorry about any inconvenience.

Derek