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Hi Lorraine,
Re the Renauds.

Unfortunately I do't know where they lived. They could still have been in the States in1880 as I don't have any definite dates when the last child was born in France except a guess at his age. They did not got here till 1884 which would suggest they were there longer.

Don't know if that helps?
Kind regards
Sie

Hi Lorraine,

I have just received info. this evening via a posting on GR that my 2 x great aunt & her husband emigrated to Canada.

John William Rabbit (b. 1874 , Aston area of Birmingham , Warwickshire ) & wife Ada ( b.1876 also in Aston , as Ada Butlin ).

Left Liverpool for Quebec , Canada, on the " Corsican" to arrive in Canada on 26 May 1911...it was stated that she was going to join her husband in Hamilton , Ontario .

I do not have any further info.
As far as i know she travelled alone ( i do not think that they had any children in England...they married in 1903 ).

I am wondering if you have access to Canadian death lists , & if so, can you find out what happened to this couple or if they had any children in Canada.

I should add that their surname is also written as Rabbitt , Rabbett & Rabett.

Thankyou.

Roy

Hello Lorraine,
I appreciate your trying for me and at least I know he never went their before 1960
Thank you kindly
Julia

roy

i have found ada outgoing to Canada but I cant find anything for john I have tried all varients of surname

I was hoping he would be on th 1911 canadian census but I even tried searching all johns born c1874 england and nothing.

The deaths only go up to 1932 and nothing on there, and births 1909 which is after they arrived.

Hi Lorraine

A request please - Would you lookup your Canadian resources and see if you could find any more details of an Arnold Wright b 1879 Neston, Cheshire UK who homesteaded in Regina Sasketchawan area for a few years - this is what I do have on him:
12/01/1916 - Living in North Annex, Regina, Sasketchewan, Canada with wife Mary Ann at time of signing up for Canadian Exp. Forces.
Names: WRIGHT , ARNOLD
Regimental number: 511225
Rank: SGT
Reference: RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 10592 - 47

In the 1901 Census he is living in Liverpool UK and he married in 1905 in Liverpool, Lancashire - so wondered if there where records of arrival/departure or other records in Regina re his homesteading era. Had 2 daughters - Lillian Barbara b1907 in Liverpool and Frances Bookhout b~1910 (Unknown where born).
Family lore is that Arnold & family tried homesteading 2 or 3 times - but he had ants in his pants and returned to UK - his wife got fed up with this and refused to go with him anymore and settled with children in Liverpool!


Thanks for any info you can unearth for me.

Regards - Chris

Hi Lorraine

Thankyou for all your efforts on my behalf, it is very much appreciated.

I do have news on this front though...
After my initial posting some kind person added further info. re: John William Rabbit + Ada.
Somehow they managed to find him on 1911 Canadian census mistranscibed as William Babbit & with wife Ada , living with his older brother Alfred + his family.
I don't know how people find things like this...it amazes me !
All the accompanying personal info. matches-up almost perfectly, so i am now certain 100% that it is correct.
So for now it seems i will not be able to find out when they died.

Hopefully new info. will come online in the future that may shed light on what became of them !

Regards

Roy

roy

Ah so he went by his middle name william no wonder i couldnt find anything for a john

1911 Census of Canada
about William Babbit
Name: William Babbit
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 36
Birth Date: Jan 1875
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Immigration Year: 1910
Tribal: English
Province: Ontario
District: Hamilton East
District Number: 77
Sub-District Number: 20
Place of Habitation: 95 Niagara
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Rabbit 37
Gertrude Rabbit 28
John Rabbit 3
Agnes Rabbit 9/12
Frederick Barttett 73
William Babbit 36
Ada Babbit 35


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about William Rabbit
Name: William Rabbit
Gender: Male
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Date of Arrival: 2 Jul 1910
Vessel: Lake Champlain
Search Ship Database: View the 'Lake Champlain' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4768

travelling alone
occuptaion fitter


couldnt find a death or births for william and ada but did find this for his brother

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about Albert Rabbit
Name: Albert Rabbit
Date of Birth: 23 Dec 1908
Gender: Male
Birth County: Wentworth
Father's Name: Alfred Fredrick Rabbit
Mother's Name: Gertrude Ethel Bartlett
Roll Number: VRBCAN1908_102549



Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1934
about Albert Rabbit
Name: Albert Rabbit
Death Date: 10 Sep 1910
Death Location: Wentworth
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Birth Location: Hamilton


Canadian Soldiers of World War I, 1914-1918
about Alfred Frederick Rabbit
Name: Alfred Frederick Rabbit
Birth Date: Oct 1870
Birth Location: Brimingham, England
Relative: Mrs A F Rabbit
Regiment Number: 10860

chris

re wright family


frances was born in the uk

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Frances Bookhout Wright
Name: Frances Bookhout Wright
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 333

and if she didnt marry then she died in uk too

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Frances Bookhout Charles
Name: Frances Bookhout Charles
Birth Date: 2 Dec 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: Aug 2001
Age at death (estimated): 91
Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Register number: 37C
District and Subdistrict: 5281
Entry number: 145

they are still in uk in 1911


Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
WRIGHT, ARNOLD HEAD M 31 PRINTER NESTOR CHESHIRE
WRIGHT, MARY ANN WIFE 6 F 30 LIVERPOOL LANCASHIRE
WRIGHT, LILIAN BARBARA DAUGHTER F 3 LIVERPOOL LANCASHIRE
WRIGHT, FRANCIS BOOKHUNT DAUGHTER F 1 BOOTLE LANCASHIRE



1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
about Arnold Wright
Name: Arnold Wright
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 36
Est. Birth Year: 1880
Birthplace: England
Year of Immigration: 1912
Home in 1916: 02, Regina, Saskatchewan
Address: 17, 19, W2, Regina
racial_or_tribal_origin: English
Relation to Head of Household: Self
Household Members: Name Age
Arnold Wright 36
Mary Wright 34
Lillian Wright 9
Frances Wright 6


few passenger entries for them

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Frances B Wright
Name: Frances B Wright
Gender: Female
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Birth Country: England
Date of Arrival: 25 Apr 1916
Vessel: Pretorian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Pretorian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: St.John, New Brunswick
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4831

travelling with
mother mary ann aged 34
lillian b aged 9

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Frances Beekhout Wright
Name: Frances Beekhout Wright
Gender: Female
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Date of Arrival: 10 Jun 1921
Vessel: Metagama
Search Ship Database: View the 'Metagama' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14713

travelling with
mary ann aged 40
lillian aged 14

going to sask


UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Frances Wright
Name: Frances Wright
Birth Date: abt 1910
Age: 10
Port of Departure: Montrã©AL, Quã©Bec, Canada
Arrival Date: 21 Jun 1920
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
Ship Name: Canada
Search Ship Database: View the 'Canada' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 106806

travelling with
mary a
lillian


Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Arnold Wright
Name: Arnold Wright
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Date of Arrival: 2 Jul 1911
Vessel: Megantic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Megantic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4778

travelling alone
occupation grocer

cant see arnold coming back

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vanessa



a possible for your fred

1901 Census of Canada
about Fred Munday
Name: Fred Munday
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 28
Birth Day & Month: 23 Apr
Birth Year: 1872
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Immigration Year: 1891
Racial or Tribal Origin: Eng (English)
Nationality: Canadian
religion: Baptist
Occupation: Machinist
Province: Ontario
District: Oxford (North/Nord)
District Number: 101
Sub-District: Woodstock (City/Cité)
Sub-District Number: F-14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Almira Welker 71
Allice Welker 25
Fred Munday 28
Lillie Wells 24

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ALICE ROSS

Hi, I have a great aunt Alice (b.1905c, Manchester UK). Her parents were Charles Ross and Ann (Henrietta) Bennett. (not married at the time of Alice's birth)

My father seems to remember his Aunt going to live in America/Canada. I have no time frame or if it is even true. I am having trouble locating any details of her on GR.

Any pointers greatfully received. I thank you in advance.

Susan

susan

can i have charles and anns dates of birth

was alice born as ross or bennett and when did her parents marry

i cant find anything for an alice ross born c1905 on passenger lists if i can find out her surname and when parents married i may be able to find he on the 1911 census

thanks lorraine

Hi Lorraine,

I don't have excat dates for Charles, b,1866c, died 18 Sept 1926.
Ann/Henrietta b.1867c, died 14 October 1935. I have a marriage for Charles and Henrietta, 31 March 1909. They had three children out of wedlock, Walter, Alice and Hiram. A son Charles was born in 1912c. I know Hiram was born 4 Oct 1907, he was my grandfather. I am guessing the birth year of Alice.

I have (via a Genealogist I hired) a copy of the Ross household in 1911 census. Henrietta Baker (late Ross- a previous marriage to a Peter Baker) was living with 3 Baker children and Alice Ross (4), Walter (6) and Hiram (3).

Interestingly Henrietta calls herself a Widow. Considering Charles died in 1926 it was obviously a short lived marriage with an ensing seperation.

Cheers

Susan

susan

the 1911 for reference

: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:

BAKER LATE ROSS, HENRIETTA HEAD WIDOW F 40 HOUSE WORK LANC M/C

BAKER, ELIZABETH DAUGHTER SINGLE F 22 BRACE - MAKER LANC M/C

BAKER, PETER SON SINGLE M 18 DONKY BRAND MAKER LANC M/C

BAKER, JAMES SON SINGLE M 16 SULLE MAKER FOR COTTON MILL LANC M/C

ROSS, ALICE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 4 SCHOOL LANC M/C

ROSS, WALTER SON SINGLE M 6 SCHOOL LANC M/C

ROSS, HYRAM SON SINGLE M 3 SCHOOL LANC M/C

CINCH, MARY LODGER MARRIED F 30 CLEANER

there is nothing on passenger lists for an alice ross born c1907 she may have married and then gone abroad.

Thankyou Lorraine for your time and help.

Susan

Lorraine

I have Henry SURMAN born 1818 Horspath Oxfordshire-wife Martha born 1819 Shotover Oxfordshire.

They had 5 children -Joseph born 1840 / Thomas 1842 / James 1845/ George 1848 / Mary Anne 1850

At some point after 1850 they emigrated to the USA
Can you find them in any passenger lists please ? !

Martha died and is buried Burbank Ohio 1871
Henry died and is buried Cleveland Ohio 1904
(info given to me by a descendent a few years ago)

I think Henry he is in the 1901 census for Cleveland

Any info appreciated !

ELIZABETH

I haven't found them on a passenger list yet but have found henry living with his son in law

son is law is listed as widow so its possible he marriage mary ann both children born ohio it says their mother was born england


1900 United States Federal Census
about Henry Surman
Name: Henry Surman
Home in 1900: Galion Ward 4, Crawford, Ohio
Age: 81
Birth Date: Jun 1818
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1868
Relationship to Head of House: Father-in-law
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Widowed
Residence : Galion City, Crawford, Ohio
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
J W Kline 51
Greatha V Kline 15
Willie A Kline 20
Henry Surman 81
Anna Boyd 32


anna boyd is listed a dometic
son in law born pennsylvania


i think willie should be millie as it says daughter


pretty sure this is mary with husband in 1880 unfortuantly there isnt a 1890 as most of it was destroyed

wesley born pennsylvania which matches the above census

1880 United States Federal Census
about Mary Kline
Name: Mary Kline
Home in 1880: Harrisville, Medina, Ohio
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of Household: Wife
Spouse's Name: Wesley
Father's birthplace: England
Mother's birthplace: England
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Keeps House
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
House Number: 5822472
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Wesley Kline 31
Mary Kline 30
Lucy Kline 6
Nellie Kline 7M

Have found martha and children on passenger list


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Mary Anna Surman
Name: Mary Anna Surman
Arrival Date: 7 Aug 1856
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 7
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination: Canada
Place of Origin: England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Victoria
Search Ship Database: Search the Victoria in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 44
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_165
List Number: 779
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

travelling with
mother martha aged 38
jjoseph aged 16
thomas aged 14
james aged 12
george aged 9

says destination canada but they may have been going via canada to usa

re other children

having problems the name must have been mispelt on a lot of census

this is a possible for george

1920 United States Federal Census
about Geo W Surman
Name: Geo W Surman
Home in 1920: Boise, Ada, Idaho
Age: 71 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Hattie M
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1857
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 411
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Geo W Surman 71
Hattie M Surman 55


hattie born ohio

Idaho Death Index, 1911-51
about Surman, George W.
Name: Surman, George W.
Year: 1943
Certificate Number: 135861
County of Death: Ada
City: Boise
Date of Death: 10 Sep 1943
Date of Birth: 13 Apr 1848

1910 United States Federal Census
about George Surman
Name: George Surman
Age in 1910: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Spouse's Name: Harriet M
Home in 1910: South Boise, Ada, Idaho
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Surman 62
Harriet M Surman 47
Alice C Hall 28
John Q Hoogland 26
Lester Hall 10


the three others are stepchildren