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been to the LRO today and re-checked registers for Our Lady Oldham

so to refresh our memories this is what I found

25-9-1904 (b1-9-1902) John Edward s of John Edward & Mary (Mangan) sponsor Rose Ann McCarthy

16-4-1905 (b17-1-1905) John Joseph s of John Edward & Mary (Mannion) sponsor Mary Ryland (or Nyland)

16-6-1907 (b14-5-1907) Arthur s of John Edward & Mary (Mannion) sp Matthew Mannion & Elizabeth Cowling)
address 12 Park St - note in margin says married Helen (?) Heywood d of Joseph Heywood

19-12-1909 (b28-10-1909) Rose Ann (or Rosa Anna) d of John & Mary (Leicester) sponsor Alice Kelly
address 12 Bk Park St - note in margin says married Richard (?) Hill s of Samuel Hill

7-4-1912 (b5-3-1912) Thomas s of John E & Mary (Manning) sponsor Mary Hughes
address 32 Cromwell Street

at no time was Mary anything other than just 'Mary' not even Mary E

did not find any other Jones up to 1920

did not find any Leicester pre 1900

possibly Nellie Jones = Ellen Leicester having reverted to her birth name

NO Jones marriages at Our Lady between 1900 & 1930

no Jones or Leicester baptised at St Mary's RC

hi ann
so 1905 was john joseph what about the norman 1905?
gene said mary had a brother called matthew,was he the sponsor for arthur

Well done Ann!

Martyn that's where my thoughts were too. No baptism for the Norman who is on Lancsbmd mmn Leicester in 1905 and no John Joseph born in 1905.(Well not in Oldham anyway -there's one on freebmd reg Manchester)

Bet the registrars had a nightmare with this family too-no wonder there's lots of notes and crossings out in the margins..........

Looking back through the thread I think gene1 got her info from the same baptism entries.

Julie

I would guess it is where gene got the info from but I thought it might be useful to be able to see the full details all in one post.

A lot of entries in the RC register had who someone married or when they were confirmed written in the (large) surname box.

I looked at the confirmation register - which seemed to show confirmations every 5 years but only after about 1915 were they in alphabetical order and I was not sure what age they would have been at confirmation. Didn't find anything up to 1930.

hi julie
this family of mine ,what a mess,ann has done brilliant every time there is a new twist or a new child hopefully when the cert comes we will not have another twist!

I know nothing about Oldham. If they moved from 12 Back Park Street (1911) to 32 Cromwell Street (1912) would they have attended a different church?

hi ann
what a excellent job you have done,thanks ever so much were would i be without your work

gene mentions (i think) mount carmel or something carmel&st patricks
just looked page 19 our ladys of mount carmel&st patricks there address was 32 cromwell st

Yes the baptism register shows the church & address- I'm being a bit thick and slow tonight!
Julie

no this family are enough to send anyone in to a semi mental breakdown

Ann

It's really helpful to have that info all in one post. I think I was just reminding myself that gene1 doesn't have much more info than us on these siblings in terms of their births & baptisms - if that makes sense........

Julie

looking at the Oldham churches there seem to be only 2 options for RC at that time, Our Lady of Mount Carmel & St Patrick (one church - what a mouthful) & St Mary. I did wonder about the outskirts of Chadderton & Royton.

So the address connection is not to do with 20 Taylor Street. It's the connection between some of the baptism addresses and the 1911 census. 12 Park Street/Back Park Street.??

Julie

also just looked back at p19 - the dob baptism gene has for Norman is actually Thomas - also on lancsbmd & freebmd as Thomas

did we have this one somewhere along the line

Births Mar 1922 (>99%)
Jones Sidney Mangham Oldham 8d 1015

did not find a baptism for this one - wonder if they had moved outside to Chadderton / Royton as this one is Oldham East sub-district on lancs bmd and Thomas 1912 is Oldham Central, the other were Oldham South & Oldham Below Town

edit - forget that Chadderton & Royton were sub-districts in their own right

Ann yes somewhere back about page 2/3 !! and this looks like the death index
Name: Sidney Jones
Birth Date: 22 Feb 1922
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1985
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 39
Page: 109

hi not here ,got to wait until monday now,surely it cannot be much longer.
just phoned gro cert has been dispatched so we are waiting for royal mail,they send them 2nd class

well at least you know its on the way

yes i think my postman thinks i have lost the plot watching him delivering on the road

Got to go away now until Tuesday evening and won't get on the internet so you may have all the answers by the time i get back!!!!!!!!!!!