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Sorry!! Sylvia posted the details for that one on the previous page:
"London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Emily Goddard

Name: Emily Goddard
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: Dudley Arthur Gordon
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Aug 1917
Parish: Deptford St John
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: Arthur Goddard
Spouse Father Name: D C Gordon
Register Type: Parish Register


from image:-

Dudley

Bachelor
Age:- 23
Occupation:- 2nd Lieut. R.F.A.
Address:- 4 Cranley (or Crawley) Place, Kensington
Father occupation:- Gentleman

Emily

Spinster
Age:- 25
no occupation shown
Address:- Heath Villa, Virginia Water, Surrey
Father occupation:- Clerk of Works

Witnesses:- William Goddard and ???? G Oscar xxxxxxx (impossible to read!)"

Maureen

oh right - it was that one ! which took us off on the Charles Oscar Gridley trail that ended up back here :-D

D C Gordon ... how kind of him to give his father's INITIALS !!! :-P

D C Gordon ... not so terribly far off Arthur Charles D Hamilton-Gordon ........

I don't suppose it might say D G Gordon?

Deaths Jun 1938
HAMILTON-GORDON Douglas G 84 Paddington 1a 13

= born abt 1854 ... not yet 40 c1890 ...

Marriages Jun 1877
Bullock Edith Anne Witham 4a 457
Gordon Douglas George H Witham 4a 457
HAMILTON-GORDON Douglas G Witham 4a 457

Marriages Sep 1929
Arkcoll Annie A Hamilton-Gordon Paddington 1a 195
Gordon Annie A Hamilton Gordon Paddington 1a 195
Gordon Douglas G H Gordon Paddington 1a 195
Gordon Douglas G H Arkcoll Paddington 1a 195
Hamilton-Gordon Douglas G Gordon Paddington 1a 195
Hamilton-Gordon Douglas G Arkcoll Paddington 1a 195

a sign of a long-standing relationship turned marriage late in the day

having wasted no time after the death of the estranged wife

Deaths Sep 1929
Hamilton-Gordon Edith A 72 I. Wight 2b 662

http://thepeerage.com/p2471.htm

Douglas George Hamilton-Gordon1
M, #25573, b. 17 August 1852, d. 24 April 1938

Douglas George Hamilton-Gordon was born on 17 August 1852. He was the son of Reverend Hon. Douglas Hamilton-Gordon [ son of the 4th Earl of Aberdeen ] and Lady Ellen Susan Anne Douglas. He married, firstly, Edith Anne Bullock, daughter of Reverend Walter Trevelyan Bullock, on 7 July 1877. He married, secondly, Annie Amelia Arkcoll, daughter of William James Arkcoll, on 31 July 1929. He died on 24 April 1938 at age 85.
He was invested as a Officer, Order of the British Empire (O.B.E.) in 1920. He held the office of Justice of the Peace (J.P.) for London.

Children of Douglas George Hamilton-Gordon and Edith Anne Bullock

Commander Douglas Walter Hamilton-Gordon b. 18 Mar 1878, d. 20 Jan 1914
Sholto Hamilton-Gordon b. 13 Sep 1879, d. 25 Jan 1911
Edith Hilda Hamilton-Gordon b. 23 Jul 1881, d. 10 Jun 1957
Commander Hugh Hamilton-Gordon b. 14 Jun 1883, d. 8 May 1960
Rosamund Hamilton-Gordon b. 17 May 1885, d. 11 Apr 1961
Esmée Veronica Hamilton-Gordon b. 19 Jul 1900


that family is together in London in 1901 ... but there sure is a big gap between the child born 1885 and the child born 1900 ...

Name: Dudley Arthur Gordon
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Spouse Name: Emily Goddard
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Aug 1917
Parish: Deptford St John
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: D C Gordon
Spouse Father Name: Arthur Goddard
Register Type: Parish Register

From the image
Dudley Arthur, aged 23 years, Bachelor, 2nd. Lieut. R.F.A., 4 Cranley Place, Kensington. Father D. C. Gordon, Gentleman
Emily Goddard, aged 25 years, Spinster, No Occ. given, Heath Villa, Virginia Water, Surrey, Father Arthur Goddard, Clerk of Works.

Witnesses: William Goddard, C. Oscar Gridley.



My gut feeling is still that these Gordons are all connected to Dudley Gladstone Gordon and his Hamilton - Gordon family by some means. Probably wrong side of the blanket children.

Sorry folks, didn't realise that there was another page when I typed all the above in - too early in the morning for me!

Remember that there was a Gordon / Carash birth in 1917. Do you think our man would have married while his mistress was pregnant?

The douglus carash births were 1913 and 1914 which douglus are we thinking is the one want to do some digging :-D

rootgatherer ... I thought the 'Stewart' came in when one of the Gordon-Carash children said their father was 'Stewart Gordon' on their marriage certificate ... that is 'Stewart' was the given name not the surname


did I have that wrong Lucy ? does the certificate say

Stewart Gordon for Dudley Gordon
... or ...
Dudley Stewart for Dudley Gordon

?


so I am not the only one with visions of Hamilton-Gordons dancing in my head then rootgatherer :-D

It says stewart gordon as dudley gordon :-)

thanks Lucy that is what I thought ... so rootgatherer ... maybe not pursue a surname Stuart / Stewart possibility at this point ?

unless who knows ... the surname was Stewart-Gordon ........ !!!



if I may be permitted ... another Hamilton-Gordon possibility, legitimate son of Douglas George Hamilton-Gordon ... since the name Douglas was mumbled in the family

Commander Douglas Walter Hamilton-Gordon b. 18 Mar 1878, d. 20 Jan 1914
son of Douglas George Hamilton-Gordon 1852


Marriages Jun 1903
Gordon Douglas Walter H Kingston 2a 865
HAMILTON-GORDON Douglas Kingston 2a 865
Hamilton-Gordon Douglas W Kingston 2a 865
Maton Emily Kingston 2a 865

http://thepeerage.com/p39.htm

Commander Douglas Walter Hamilton-Gordon was born on 18 March 1878. He was the son of Douglas George Hamilton-Gordon and Edith Anne Bullock. He married Emilie Maton, daughter of Leonard James Maton, on 20 June 1903. He died on 20 January 1914 at age 35.
( apparently Emilie remarried in late 1915 to Arthur Evans but I can't see the marriage )
He gained the rank of Commander in the service of the Royal Navy.


I can't find Douglas Walter Gordon and wife Emily/Emilie in 1911


look when Douglas Walter died, jan 1914

Deaths Mar 1914
Gordon Douglas W H 35 Devonport 5b 524

and

Births Dec 1913
Gordon Dudley B Carash Lambeth 1d 829
Births Dec 1914
GORDON Ruby G Carash Lambeth 1d 745

do we know yet what Ruby Gordon's actual date of birth was ? someone who died in January 1914 could be the father of a child born in sept-oct 1914


if the father really was Douglas Gordon and not Dudley Gordon ...


Douglas George (Sr) could be the father of Dudley Arthur Gordon who could be the father of Dudley and Ruby
... or ...
Douglas Walter (Jr) could be the father of Dudley and Ruby


my favourite theory is that Dudley Arthur Gordon is the father of Dudley and Ruby


for the marriage of Dudley A Gordon to Goddard in 1917 ... is there an image visible at ancestry or is it just the transcript ?

I am wondering whether D C Gordon father of Dudley could be D G Gordon for Douglas George ... I think Maureen sent Lucy the image ... somebody can send it to me to quench my curiosity :-D


we should note too that all these Hamilton-Gordons are in the trees of a number of genesreunited members so at some point we may have to be discreet and delete our theories about them if they turn out to be unfounded .............

Chrissie-Just sent you that marriage image. Fingers crossed!!

I have no idea what to think at this point!!! (except that I'm waaaay behind on my Christmas cards!!!

Maureen

well that settled that ... the D 'C' and 'G'ordon ... the C is a C and the G is a G and they are completely different, so that doesn't help my theory at all ! :-)

thanks Maureen

the address is 4 Cranley Place Kensington ( verified with an address search in the 1911 census )

for wildcard surnames *O* at that address there are a Harrison a Horner and a Von Sandan ( also a Van Sandan, I think that couple may be the heads of household with a load of servants ) ... no Gordon

current prices in Cranley Place run in the £2 million range ... ah, no. 4 is many flats, flat 15 last sold for £550,000 in 2006 :-)

well Ruby Dorothys date of birth i think is apr,may,june 1895 born in croydon,still waiting for birth certificate

It would not surprise me if the dudley gordon she put on her daughters certficate was wealthy, she married Gustav H N De becker who we believe of some status even though cant find anything on him.

So she could have ran in those circles of wealthy men

I dont know how we are going to get the bottom of this who Dudley is

What can i do to help ill be on here all evevning searching everything there must be a way!!!

But the only thing is by saying his name is stewart there must have been a reason did ruby know something and did not want to but Dudley as her dads name and made up Stewart he was not at the marriage so there must have been a reason, or did she even know her dad?

What can we do?

can i be a pain and go back a few steps

Who was Ruby Dorothys father,

Which one of the micklewrights had the children Ruby Cedric Claude, and the wins Grace and regionald?

I am confuused can i have his date of birth and where born, going through the thread and confused which one his is?

Just updateing tree want to get it right?

as far as we can tell Henry Micklewright ( also called Harry, it is really the same name ) and Emma Sheffield were the parents of all the children with the names Micklewright and Carash including the ones who died young and Ruby Carash and Cedric Carash


and sorry Lucy it was Ruby Gordon's date of birth I meant

Births Dec 1914
GORDON Ruby G Carash Lambeth 1d 745

question being whether a man who died in jan 1914 ( Douglas Walter Hamilton-Gordon ) could have been her father


there is a picture of Dudley Gladstone Gordon ( Hamilton-Gordon ) 1883 here

http://thepeerage.com/p2483.htm

( and also one of his older brother George )

they seem to have long faces and big foreheads ... kind of like me :-D ... any family resemblance ?

actually if you go to google images and search for in quotation marks

"hamilton-gordon"

there are lots of family pictures, see what you think !


here is one of Dudley Gladstone Hamilton-Gordon 1883 as a child with his family

http://www2.ville.montreal.qc.ca/archives/portraits/en/cards/P0006.shtm


here is one of him with his older brother Archie

http://www.prints-4-all.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?&category=6&start=2230

when you click for the giant size it says

'the hon Dudley -and- Archie Hamilton Gordon sons of the right hon the Earl of Aberdeen Governor-General of Canada'

it is the original page from a magazine published in 1894

just think if it turns out to be your people you can order that print of the two brothers :-)


another picture of them from when their father was governor-general of Canada

http://www.civilization.ca/cmc/exhibitions/hist/balls/a-4eng.shtml


Dudley Gladstone Hamilton-Gordon 1883 was president of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers in 1947 ( with a picture and biography )

http://heritage.imeche.org/Biographies/pastpresidents


this is just random things found along the way of trying to find out more about the Hamilton-Gordons to see whether they connect

by the way I meant to add ... on the marriage record for Dudley Arthur Gordon 1917 ... father D C Gordon 'gentleman'

that covered a multitude of sins ... I have someone in my family who called his father 'gentleman' when he married a second time in middle age ... actually his father was an agricultural labourer but I suppose because the son had done well in business and become wealthy he said his father ( who would have been long dead ) was a 'gentleman'

the whole thing, initials D C instead of name and 'gentleman' for occupation, makes it look very fishy

ah right i see i have just gone through the whole thread and wrote up a report on the whole family... taking me ages!!
I will look at the pictures now see if anything looks fimallar at leat to his grandchildren my nan and norma,

Emmm very strange as I can see a likeness very weird when u can see a likeness how can we be sure though that's the question?

are you in touch with family of Dudley born 1913 ?

if he has male offspring ... ah yes son born 1950, interesting name ... if that son or a son of his is living then you can always try to beg borrow or steal some Hamilton-Gordon DNA to try for a match :-)

it could be worth doing just for future reference ... have the DNA analysis done and submit it, say to a Gordon family group, and have it on record for matches

http://www.thegordondnaproject.com/

this is a history of the family up to the late 1800s

http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/families/gordons_methlic.htm

showing the Scottish roots

but remember we are off on a bit of a flight of fancy

DNA really is the only 'proof' in these cases though

can i have a recap on the dudley who we believe is the best match

There are so many above i dont know which one we are going for

Also there is on other man i am struglling to find out about

Gustav H N De Becker?
any help where i can find out about him

I will be speaking to Norma asking her if she can remenber anything about her grandad, if there are any letters or anything that may help
:-)

Are we excluding this birth please? Do we think that he wasn't one of Ruby's children with Mr. Gordon?

Births Dec 1917 Gordon Norman C Carash Lambeth 1d 422

Deaths Dec 1917 Gordon Norman C 0 Lambeth 1d 364



PS - I'll delete that posting with the Stuart family as it doesn't now seem relevant. No point in cluttering the thread with things that are wrong.