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William & Sarah Sharp born approx 1832 Cumberland

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Arthur

Arthur Report 24 Mar 2012 02:58

Hi
This family seemed to move about a lot, in the 1881 census they are
in Heathfield Bromfield, Cumberland with 3 children Mary b 1863,
Robert b 1866 and James b 1871 in Sunderland ( my line ) I don't seem to be able get any further back.
From what I can gather William & Sarah married in 1851 in Cockermouth
Cumberland I presume there where more children before Mary in 1863.
Can anyone help please ?

Arthur

jax

jax Report 24 Mar 2012 03:51

1881 England Census
about William Sharp Name: William Sharp
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Sharp
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigton, Cumberland, England

Civil parish: Bromfield
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Street Address: Heathfield
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Labourer Ag

Registration district: Wigton
Sub-registration district: Abbey Holme
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5167
Folio: 27
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
William Sharp 46
Sarah Sharp 48
Mary Sharp 18
Robert Sharp 15
James Sharp 10



Lynski

Lynski Report 24 Mar 2012 03:54

1861 census??

WILLIAMSON, Thomas Head Married M 65 1796 ...Keeper
Scotland VIEW
WILLIAMSON, Ruth Wife Married F 50 1811 Workington
Cumberland VIEW
SHARP, William Son In Law Married M 29 1832 Ship Carpenter
Workington Cumberland VIEW
SHARP, Sarah Daughter Married F 28 1833 Servant
Workington Cumberland VIEW

Piece: 3939 Folio: 83 Page: 16 Registration District: Cockermouth
Civil Parish: Workington Municipal Borough:
Address: Stanley Street, Workington County: Cumberland

Lynski

Lynski Report 24 Mar 2012 04:10

Have you confirmed that they are your ancestors -

Do you have William and Sarah's marriage certificate?

Do you have the birth certificate of James (your line)?

patchem

patchem Report 24 Mar 2012 06:57

Free bmd does not have a marriage for William Sharp in Cockermouth in 1851.

How do you know that either of them had not been married before?

Will keep on looking.

patchem

patchem Report 24 Mar 2012 07:07

This could be William in 1841, if the 1881 birthplace is correct:
1841 England Census
William Sharp Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male Where born: Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Wigton Hundred: Cumberland County/Island: Cumberland Country: England
Registration district: Wigton Sub-registration district: Wigton
Piece: 166 Book: 11 Folio: 5 Page Number: 4
Robert Sharp 40 ag lab all born local
Isabella Sharp 30
Margaret Sharp 8
Mary Sharp 6
William Sharp 4
William Armstrong 3
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 166; Book: 11; Civil Parish: Wigton; County: Cumberland; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 5; Page: 4; Line: 25; GSU roll: 241280.

patchem

patchem Report 24 Mar 2012 07:16

?
Holme Cultram is about 6 miles from Wigton.
1851 England Census
William Sharp Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Servant Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Holme Cultram, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Holme East Waver County/Island: Cumberland Country: England
Occupation: farm servant
Registration district: Wigton Sub-registration district: Wigton
ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Household schedule number: 4 Piece: 2432 Folio: 376 Page Number: 2
Edward Railton 60
Thomas Harrison 33
John Harrison 32
Isaac Harrison 27
Jonathan Harrison 24
Mary Moffat 34
William Sharp 14
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2432; Folio: 376; Page: 2; GSU roll: 87112.

This makes him too young to marry - is the age in 1881 wrong, and do you have evidence for that?
Thanks

patchem

patchem Report 24 Mar 2012 07:32

This looks like the William I found in 1851, still unmarried in 1861 - so discount?
1861 England Census
William Skarp Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Holme Cultram, Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Waverton County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England Occupation: carter
Registration district: Wigton Sub-registration district: Wigton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 11 Piece: 3926 Folio: 53 Page Number: 3
Robert Storey 31 farmer
Ann Storey 30
Thomas Storey 4
Richd Rigg Storey 2
Sarah Ann Storey 8 Months
Mary Dixon 22
Paul Ruddick 28
William Skarp 24
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 3926; Folio: 53; Page: 3; GSU roll: 543207.

patchem

patchem Report 24 Mar 2012 07:43

Could you say who James (1871) married, and children, or post the censuses for him?
Thanks.

patchem

patchem Report 24 Mar 2012 07:55

Is this William and Sarah with some children from 1881 census in 1891?
1891 England Census
William Sharpe
Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Sharpe Gender: Male Where born: Cumberland, England
Civil parish: Orton Ecclesiastical parish: Orton County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England Occupation: farm labourer
Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: Dalston
ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Piece: 4294 Folio: 9 Page Number: 11
William Sharpe 54
Sarah Sharpe 53
Mary Sharpe 27
Robert Sharpe 24
David Sharpe 6 son could be Kendle for surname also
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4294; Folio: 9; Page: 11; GSU roll: 6099404.

jax

jax Report 24 Mar 2012 14:35

Arthur

Could you please reply on the thread by adding to the bottom of all the posts.

Yes I know you had the record I gave...I added it to help us find him, as other details help like place of birth plus the dob you gave as 1832 is a bit different to the 1835 and 1837 that has been found for William.

Where did you find him born 1832?

greyghost

greyghost Report 24 Mar 2012 15:42

Is this your James (b 1871 Sunderland)
1911 census transcription details for: 122 Pine Street Gateshead

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN30412 RG78PN1748A RD557 SD2 ED2 SN438

Reg. District: Gateshead Sub District: Gateshead
Parish: Gateshead Enum. District: 2
Address: 122 Pine Street Gateshead
County: Durham

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age BirthYear Occupation Where Born
SHARP, James Head Married13 years M 40 1871 Coal Miner Sunderland Durham
SHARP, Annie Wife Married F 38 1873 House Duties Upperby Carlisle Westmorland
SHARP, Sarah Jane Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Carlisle Cumberland
SHARP, William Son M 12 1899 School Ridsdale Cumberland
SHARP, Annie Mary Daughter F 11 1900 School Ridsdale
SHARP, Isabel Daughter F 10 1901 School Benwell Northumberland
SHARP, Alice May Daughter F 4 1907 Carlisle Cumberland


greyghost

greyghost Report 24 Mar 2012 15:43

And would this be his marriage?
Civil Registration event: Marriage

Name: SHARP, James
Registration district: Bootle (Cumberland)
County: Cumberland
Year of registration: 1898
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 10B
Page no: 1219
MarriageFinder: James Sharp married one of the following people:

DOYLE, Annie
FLYNN, Agnes
MCGARRY, William

EDIT - perhaps not, see below, found a better candidate given eldest childs birthplace

greyghost

greyghost Report 24 Mar 2012 15:47


Same family 1901

1901 census transcription details for: 47, Beech Street, Benwell

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 4776 Folio: 139 Page: 54


Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: Westgate
Parish: Benwell Enum. District: 66
Ecclesiastical District: St James City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 47, Beech Street, Benwell
County: Northumberland

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation ,Disability Where Born
SHARP, James Head Married M 30 1871 Quarryman (Freestone)Sunderland Northumberland
SHARP, Annie Wife Married F 28 1873 Upperby Cumberland
SHARP, Sarah J Daughter F 3 1898 Carlisle Cumberland
SHARP, William Son M 2 1899 Ridsdale Northumberland
SHARP, Annie M Daughter F 1 1900 Ridsdale Northumberland
SHARP, Isbella Daughter F 0 (1 MOS) 1901 Benwell Northumberland

greyghost

greyghost Report 24 Mar 2012 15:55



Civil Registration event: Marriage
Print Close
Name: SHARP, James
Registration district: Carlisle
County: Cumberland
Year of registration: 1897
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 10B
Page no: 979
MarriageFinder: James Sharp married one of the following people:

HUDSON, Ann
JOHNSON, Elizabeth
RAFFLES, Herbert Henry

Herbert and Elizabeth are on 1901 census together in Carlisle

greyghost

greyghost Report 24 Mar 2012 15:59

?? JAmes 1891

1891 census transcription details for: Torpenhow, Torpenhow Whitrigg, Torpenhow

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 4298 Folio: 6 Page: 6

Reg. District: Wigton Sub District: Abbey Holme
Parish: Torpenhow Whitrigg Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: St Michaels City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Torpenhow, Torpenhow Whitrigg, Torpenhow
County: Cumberland

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation , Disability Where Born
FERGUSON, Edward Head Single M 29 1862 Farmer Torpenhow Cumberland
FERGUSON, Agnes Sister Single F 32 1859 Torpenhow Cumberland
FERGUSON, John Brother Single M 26 1865 Sorter Post Office
Torpenhow Cumberland
SHARP, James Servant Single M 20 1871 Farm Servant
Sunderland Durham
ARMSTRONG, William Servant Single M 16 1875 Farm Servant
Rumbland Cumberland
BLACKSTOCK, Annie Servant Single F 16 1875 General Servant Domestic
AllhallowsCumberland

jax

jax Report 24 Mar 2012 16:22

From your tree on ancestry this is the marriage you have

Marriages Sep 1850 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Miller Sarah Cockermouth 25 69
Sharp William Cockermouth 25 69

Do you have evidence that this is their marriage? as already mentioned if he was born 1835 or 1837 he may have been a bit young to marry



jax

jax Report 24 Mar 2012 16:26

Stuart

I think Arthur has all the info re James it is before 1881 he is looking for

just to add this is the marriage Arthur has for James and Annie

Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ROBINSON Annie Ulverston 8e 1487
Sharp James Ulverston 8e 1487

greyghost

greyghost Report 24 Mar 2012 16:44

Patchem had asked poster for "who James 1871 married and children or post the censuses for him" Hoping there might be something to link the earlier and later finds i suppose.
I can't see any of the family in 1871 which might help.

Arthur

Arthur Report 24 Mar 2012 16:59

In the 1881 census they both mention they were born in Wigton in Cumberland she says she's 48 ie born 1833 and he says 46 ie born
1835.
I was looking for a partner called Sarah and came across Sarah Miller
and a marriage of 1850 in Cockermouth but that would only make him
about 15/16 of course the census taker could have written down the wrong age.
James married Annie Robinson in Ulverston in Cumberland.