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hi prickly holly how do i find that info on freebdm ? sorry bit slow lol
found marriage cert but dont no how to find the daughters you mentioned
thanks

hi chris i did the same clicked on the link and its asking for a code?

sorry just seen yr post can u mail it to me plz ?

Lisa, if you message me your e mail addy, will send a copy.

Chris :)

edits (click on my name, and you can send a pm)

just to keep you all busy lol can anyone help with the other side of the tree? starting eva rose jarvis born oct 1918 i.e her mum dad and so on

if im asking too much of everyone im sorry lol

thanks chris :-)

oooo i found the daughters lol

Lisa, this looks like Eva Rose's birth:

Births Dec 1918
Jarvis Eva R Bays Holborn 1b 735

You need to use FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk which is where we find these records.

Mother's maiden name showing as Bays. Next step would be to find a marriage for a Mr Jarvis to a Miss Bays, but not seeing one right off .....

One reason may be that the mother had been married before. The marriage to Jarvis would be in whatever her then married name was, but the birth would show her maiden name of Bays.

You could buy a copy of her birth certificate to see what it says.

Using the mother been married before hypothesis, this is a possible:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1916
Bays Rose Bridger Hackney 1b 984a
Bridger Joseph Bays Hackney 1b 984a

Rose Bays married Joseph Bridger and then later married Henry Jarvis:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1918
Bridger Rose Jarvis Shoreditch 1c 71
Jarvis Henry Bridger Shoreditch 1c 71

There were a lot of young women widowed at that time due to WW1

As I said above, certificates are needed to check this out. The first purchase should be Eva's birth certificate which you can get from GRO
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Possible:

Armed Forces registration event: Death

Name: BRIDGER, Joseph
Unit: London Regiment
Rank: Private
Number: 253498
Year: 1917
Volume: I.83
Page: 234
Record source: GRO War Death Army Other Ranks (1914 to 1921)
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd
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Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-1919

Name: Joseph BRIDGER
Rank: PRIVATE
Initials: J
Birthplace: Clapham
Residence: Stoke Newington
Enlisted: Hackney
Regiment, Corps etc.: London Regiment
Battalion etc.: 3rd (City of London) Battalion (Royal Fusiliers).

4.8.14 21 Edward Street, Hampstead Road, N.W.; 1st London Bde. 1st London Div. 4 Aug. to war station guarding railway Basingstoke to Eastleigh. 4.9.14 to Malta and record same as 1/2 Bn. to Jan. 1915. 10.2.15 to Garwhal Bde. Meerut Div. 17.2.15 to Dehra Dun Bde. Meerut Div. 4.11.15 to 139th Bde. 46th Div. 16.11.15 to 142nd Bde. 47th Div. 9.2.16 to 167th Bde. 56th Div., forming in Hallencourt area. 31.1.18 to 173rd Bde. 58th Div. and absorbed 2/3rd Bn. becoming 3RD BN. 11.11.18 173rd Bde. 58th Div. Belgium; near Peruwelz, S.E. of Tournai.

Number: 253498
Date died: 11 April 1917
How died: Killed in action
Theatre of war: France & Flanders
Supplementary Notes: FORMERLY 5786, 4/4TH LONDON REGT.

Just in case my theory is right, this is the additional info to the 1916 marriage for Rose Bays:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Joseph Bridger, bachelor. A carman/soldier of Hindcott Camp
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: Rose Bays, spinster. A munition worker of 30 Tower Street.
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Jun 1916
Parish: Hackney St Michael and All Angels
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Daniel Bridger, decorator
Spouse Father Name: Susan Bays, mantle machinist. (mother, Rose was illegitimate.)
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: Mary Ann Leslie and Dolly May Thornton.
_________________________________________________

and for the 1918:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Rose Bridger, widow of 15 Loanda ?? Street
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Spouse Name: Henry Jarvis, bachelor. A tobacconist of 14 Stean ?? Street.
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Feb 1918
Parish: Haggerston All Saints
Borough: Hackney
Spouse Father Name: Charles Jarvis << Carman.
Register Type: Parish Register

No father's details entered for Rose.

Witnesses: A Jarvis and G Bryant.

If, and it is IF, these marriages are correct then the Rose in question would be the same Rose that lived with Daniel William Jude until he married her daughter.

omg mc you are wow lol thanks

I can't seem to spot Rose in the 1901 or 1911 census but i wonder if this is her Mother.....

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Susan Anne Bays (Spinster)
Name: Susan Anne Bays
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Spouse Name: Frank Rogers (Bachelor) Salesman
Spouse Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Sep 1900
Parish: Kentish Town St John the Baptist
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Joseph Bays (Gas Fitter)
Spouse Father Name: George Rogers (Gilder)
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: Fred Weaver and Alice Hopkins Bays.

There are no chlidren on the 1911 census but it does state..1 child born and living.....


1911 census - household transcription
Person: ROGERS, Susan Anne
Address: 3 Bickerton Road N


ROGERS, Frank Head Married M 40 1871 Fancy Goods Buyer London St Pancras
ROGERS, Susan Anne Wife Married
10 years F 38 1873 London St Pancras
ROGERS, Hilda Lilian Daughter F 9 1902 London Islington
BAYS, Alice Hopkins Sister In Law Single F 44 1867 London Highgate
HAFTER, August Boarder Single M 46 1865 General Engineer Sanitary Germany Resident
MEDCALF, George Boarder Married M 27 1884 Electrical Engineer's Clerk Market Deeping Lincs
BEVAN, Edwin Percival Boarder Single M 26 1885 Metal Merchants Clerk Swansea Wales
PHILLIPS, Sidney Watkin Boarder Single M 22 1889 Metal Agents Clerk Garth Wales

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
780 Reference:
RG14PN780 RG78PN27 RD10 SD1 ED5 SN3

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Tufnell Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Islington

Address:
3 Bickerton Road N County:
London

I wonder if Rose was fostered out and so appears under a different name in the 1901 and 1911 census?

??
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Rose Bays
Name: Rose Bays
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1895
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 506




1901 England Census
about Susan A Rogers
Name: Susan A Rogers
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frank Rogers
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Piece: 161
Folio: 154
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Rogers 30
Susan A Rogers 28



Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph BAYS Head M Male 42 Downham, Cambridge, England Gas Fitter Employing 1 Boy
Ellen BAYS Wife M Female 41 Tisbury, Wiltshire, England
Alice BAYS Daur Female 14 Highgate, Middlesex, England Scholar
Joseph BAYS Son Male 13 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Scholar
Susan BAYS Daur Female 8 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 8 Mansfield Pl
Census Place London, Middlesex, England

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1911 census - household transcription
Person: BRIDGER, Joseph
Address: 48 College St Homerton N E

BRIDGER, Daniel Head Married M 48 1863 General Labourer L C C Guildford London
BRIDGER, Sarah Wife Married
20 years F 48 1863 Nil Highbury London
BRIDGER, Joseph Son Single M 19 1892 Labourer General Homerton London
BRIDGER, Sarah Daughter Single F 17 1894 Tooth Brush Polisher Homerton London

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1085 Reference:
RG14PN1085 RG78PN36 RD11 SD3 ED12 SN153

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
Central Hackney Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
St John At Hackney

Address:
48 College St Homerton N E County:
London
(5 children born, 2 living, 3 had died)



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Daniel Bridger
Name: Daniel Bridger (Bachelor) Labourer
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Spouse Name: Sarah Ann Cale (Spinster)
Spouse Age: 29
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 15 Jun 1891
Parish: Homerton St Barnabas
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Bridger (Deceased) Carpenter
Spouse Father Name: Bartholomew Cale (Deceased) Gardener
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: James Bridger and Kate Cale.

1871 England Census
about Bartholomew Cale
Name: Bartholomew Cale
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Cale
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastham, Essex, England
Civil parish: Hackney St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 42
Piece: 326
Folio: 49
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Bartholomew Cale 36
Sarah Cale 36
Sarah Cale 11
Anne Cale 9
Emily Cale 5 Months


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Bartholomew Cale
Name: Bartholomew Cale (Bachelor) Gardener
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Spouse Name: Sarah Ann Windham (Spinster)
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Oct 1858
Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Thomas Martin Cale (Gardener)
Spouse Father Name: William Windham (Labourer)
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: ?? Cale and Elizabeth Houghton

Although Joseph Bridger was Rose's first husband, I think Lisa's bloodline would be through the second husband Henry Jarvis. This appears to be him with family in 1901:

JARVIS, Charles Head Married M 36 1865 Carman Soham Cambridgeshire
JARVIS, Agnes Wife Married F 28 1873 Margate Kent
JARVIS, Rosie Daughter Single F 9 1892 Hackney London
JARVIS, Eva Daughter Single F 7 1894 Hackney London
JARVIS, Charles Son Single M 6 1895 Hackney London
JARVIS, Henry Son Single M 5 1896 Hackney London
JARVIS, Albert Son Single M 1 1900 Haggerston London
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Registration District: Shoreditch
Civil Parish: Shoreditch

Address: 42, Dove Row, Shoreditch County: London

1841 England Census
about Thos Cale
Name: Thos Cale
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Low Leyton
Hundred: Becontree
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Leyton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 323
Book: 16
Folio: 23
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Thos Cale 44 abt 1797 Ireland Low Leyton, Essex .....(Gardener)
Ann Cale abt 1796 Essex, England Low Leyton, Essex
William Cale abt 1827 Essex, England Low Leyton, Essex
Thos Cale abt 1830 Essex, England Low Leyton, Essex
Bartholomen Cale abt 1833 Essex, England Low Leyton, Essex
John Cale abt 1836 Essex, England Low Leyton, Essex

1911 for Henry and his family:

JARVIS, Charles Head Married M 47 1864 Carman Cambridge
JARVIS, Agnes Wife Married 18 years M 36 1875 Margate
JARVIS, Eva Daughter Single F 17 1894 Domestic Servant Hackney
JARVIS, Charles Son Single M 16 1895 Errand Boy Hackney
JARVIS, Henry Son Single M 15 1896 Van Boy Hackney
JARVIS, Albert Son M 12 1899 School Hoxton

Registration District: West Ham
Sub District: Walthamstow
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Walthamstow

Address: 13 Netley Road Walthamstow County: Essex

Wonder if Eva Rose was named after his older sister?

Although Charles and Agnes say they've been married 18 years on the 1911, it looks like they were together in 1891:

JARVIS, Charles Head Married M 26 1865 Carman Soham Cambridgeshire
JARVIS, Agnes Wife Married F 20 1871 St Peters Margate Kent

Registration District: Shoreditch
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Municipal Borough: Shoreditch

Address: 32, Ashford Street, Shoreditch, London County: London
________________________________________________________

I wonder if he's been double counted? This might be his parents including him in their census even though he's not living there:

JARVIS, Robert Head Married M 48 1843 Labourer Soham Cambridgeshire
JARVIS, Jane Wife Married F 37 1854 Charwoman Bishopsgate London
JARVIS, Charles Son Married M 26 1865 Carman Soham Cambridgeshire <<
JARVIS, Elizabeth Daughter F 14 1877 Finsbury London
JARVIS, Annie Daughter F 11 1880 Finsbury London
JARVIS, Robert Son M 9 1882 London City Road
JARVIS, Edward Son M 6 1885 London City Road
JARVIS, William Son M 1 1890 Shoreditch London

Registration District: Shoreditch
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Municipal Borough: Church

Address: 17, Curtain Road, Shoreditch, Church County: London