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Elizabeth Collins born 1876, married Edward Collins approx 1898? in the 1901 census lived at 4 zinc st Manchester, 3 children eldest Emily aged 3 in 1901. Then in 1911 census Elizabeth dissapears Emily is 13 yrs youngest son is James is 2 but mother is not listed, we found an Elizabeth Collins aged 35 ( correct age of our liz) living with Samuel copping at 31 Bagot st Wavertree as a single boarder. is this the same elizabeth HELP!

Hi Sandra and welcome to the boards.

It is always a good idea to include the details of where people were born.

For ref..........here is the family in 1901.........Emily is not the eldest child.....


1901 England Census
about Emily Collins
Name: Emily Collins
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward Collins
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Collins
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Collyhurst St Oswald
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 180
Piece: 3755
Folio: 150
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Collins 30 ....Born Manchster Lanchester
Elizabeth Collins 25 ....Born Manchseter Lanchester
Mary E Collins 5
Emily Collins 3
John E Collins 1
Charles Shields 19 (Cousin)
Thomas Hall 17 (Boarder)
(Res: 4 Zinc St)

In 1911 Edward is still listed as married and there is a gap on the form where his wife would have been listed. Maybe she was just away on the day of the census.

She might be in some kind of institution........ie Hospital?

Quite often, people in institutions were transcribed with just their initials.

There is always the possibility that she left her husband and pretended to be single.

The age is out by 3 years but a possibilty maybe....


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1911 England Census
about E C
Name: E C
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire
Civil parish: Kings Norton and Northfield
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Rubery Hill And Hollymoor Lunatic Asylums, Rubery Near Birmingham
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Kings Norton
Registration District Number: 383
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 61-66
Piece: 17884

E C..........38 married



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1911 England Census
about E C
Name: E C
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Winwick
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Warrington
Registration District Number: 459
Sub-registration district: Winwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 23123
(County Lunatic Asylum, Winwick, Warrington)

E C..........38 married

Sandra,

Could you please give a reference for the census in 1911 where you found John and Emily ??

Dea x

Here you go Dea........


Household transcription
1911 census

Person: COLLINS, Emily
Address: 18 Susan St Manchester

COLLINS, John Head Married M 41 1870 General Labourer Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COLLINS, Mary Ellen Daughter F 14 1897 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COLLINS, Emily Daughter F 13 1898 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COLLINS, John Son M 11 1900 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COLLINS, William Son M 8 1903 Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COLLINS, Agnes Daughter F 7 1904 Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COLLINS, James Son M 2 1909 Lancashire Manchester VIEW
HALL, Thomas Boarder Single M 25 1886 Iron Driller Lancashire Manchester VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 24147
Reference: RG14PN24147 RG78PN1387 RD466 SD3 ED14 SN127
Registration District: Manchester
Sub District: St George
Enumeration District: 14
Parish: Manchester
Address: 18 Susan St Manchester
County: Lancashire

Yes Prickles - that's the only one that I could find too BUT !!! - the parents there are John + ??

Shouldn't they be Edward + Elizabeth??? Or am I missing something here???

Dea Xxx

Oooo yeah, i didn't notice "John"........just the children.


Edward in the 1901 is a Iron Foundry Labourer.

Must be the correct family though as everything else matches - even the 'boarder' !!

Perhaps he was 'John Edward' ??

There is this marriage which could fit? :

COLLINS John E WARRINER Elizabeth Prestwich Registrar Attended Manchester PRE_RM/26/185

Dea x

Maybe he is John Edward..........or, Edward John.

According to the OP The first child born was Emily but the 1911 posted has an older child Mary Ellen

May be better if Sandra posts the full info she has for the 1901

Roy

The oldest child Mary Ellen also appears on the 1901.

1911 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Collins
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 30 Bury St Salford
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: General Servant (Domestic)
Registration district: Salford
Registration District Number: 465
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 24026
Household Members: Name Age
John L Brook 43 <<<widowed salesman
John L Brook 18
Sydney Brook 16
Elizabeth Collins 36
Gladys H Collins 5/12 <<Daughter to head of family
John Bollinger 43


Deaths Sep 1925
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Collins Elizabeth A 49 Salford 8d 257

From a tree at Ancestry..........oooher


Gladys Henrietta Collins
Linnen Family Tree
Birth: 30 Nov 1910 - Lancashire, England
Marriage: Sep 1939 - Salford, Lancashire, England
Death: Oct 1985 - Lancashire, England
Parents: John Leach Brock<<<<above census Elizabeth Ann Warriner
Spouse: Thomas James Andrew Linnen

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: John Leach Brock of 95 Hall Street, Manchester
Probate Date: 25 Feb 1942
Death Date: 1 Jan 1942
Death Place: Manchester, England
Registry: Manchester, England

To Sydney Currie Brock Commercial clerk & Gladys Henrietta Thomas £163 14s 2d

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Mary E Collins
Spouse Surname: Sydney C Brock
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 82

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Mary Ellen Brock
Birth Date: 5 Apr 1896
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1983
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 38
Page: 1418




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Looks like this is another child for Elizabeth


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ada Brock
Mother's Maiden Name: Collins
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1915
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 152

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Name: Ada Brock
Spouse Surname: Cilka
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1935
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 1080

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Ada Cilka
Birth Date: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1967
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10e
Page: 348

Ooooer!!!

For a clearer picture of the 1911.......

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: BROCK, Sydney
Address: 30 Bury St Salford

BROCK, John L Head Widower M 43 1868 Salesman Borrow Lancashire VIEW
BROCK, John L Son Single M 18 1893 Salesman Lancs Hulme VIEW
BROCK, Sydney Son Single M 16 1895 Clerk Lancs Hulme VIEW
COLLINS, Elizabeth Servant Married 8 years F 36 1875 General Servant Domestic Lancs Hulme VIEW
COLLINS, Gladys H Daughter F 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Lancs Salford VIEW
POLLINGER, John Boarder Single M 43 1868 Painter Worker Lancs Salford VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 24026
Reference: RG14PN24026 RG78PN1383 RD465 SD3 ED13 SN208
Registration District: Salford
Sub District: Greengate
Enumeration District: 13
Parish: Salford
Address: 30 Bury St Salford
County: Lancashire


Elizabeth married 8 yrs.........i child born and living.