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patchem

patchem Report 16 Feb 2013 08:46

Just putting the free bmd entry that Margee found, as having difficulty tracking the families (but could be totally unrelated)
Marriages Sep 1870
BEHR Teodor Strand 1b 815
CROSSLEY Zillah Strand 1b 815
Homewood John Joyce Strand 1b 815
Tinnuchi Maria Louisa F Strand 1b 815

This looks like Teodor
1871 England Census
Theodore Behr Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Matilda Behr
Mother's Name: Katharina Zahringer (No, probaby sister)
Gender: Male Where born: Russia
Civil parish: Mile End Old Town Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 2 Piece: 555
Folio: 57 Page Number: 1
Theodore Behr 22
Matilda Behr 19
John Zahringer 4
Katharina Zahringer 24
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 555; Folio: 57; Page: 1; GSU roll: 823397.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 16 Feb 2013 08:55

British nationals armed forces births (Find My Past website)
1761-2005


Name: BURKE, William
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:49th Foot
Place : Barbados
Country: West Indies
Year: 1860
Volume : 961
Page: 27
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)


(do you have above Certificate?, would be interesting to see Maiden name of Mother)

Chris :)


Name: BURKE, James
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:49th Foot
Place : Deesa
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1866
Volume : 960
Page: 10
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)


Name: BURKE, Kenneth
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:49th Foot
Place : Deesa
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1868
Volume : 960
Page: 21
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)


edits (also, obtaining one of above, would possibly help trace Army Records, if Regiment Number given)


Alan

Alan Report 16 Feb 2013 09:20

Margee
Re your question as to names. The whole thing is a conumdrem. Joseph Tinnis married Janet Riva in Scotland and had 3 children. Joseph Tinnis Mary Tennes and Paul Tinnis. They moved to Northumberland where Matthew Tinnis was born. He died using the surname Tinnucci. They then moved to Dover where Angelina was born with the same surname. Moving to the Isle of Wight my Great Grand Father was born but the registered surname was Tinichea but he was married using the surname Tennuci and used that throughout his life. On the IoW the surnames Tinnis Tennes, Tinichea and Tennuci were used on various documentation

The key person to all of this is the mother Jesse Riva aka Janet. On all documentaion apart from Census records her surname is used. On the 1841 census in Dover they are recorded as FINNIS but this is a bad transcription.
There are infact approx 29 variations of the surname.

Alan

Alan Report 16 Feb 2013 09:26

Hi Jude [HeyJudeB4Beatles]

I have a copy of Mary's baptismal entry which took place in Edingburgh.
Alan

Alan

Alan Report 16 Feb 2013 09:31

Margee
The Mary L F Tinnuche was another sister born in France c1852. She married John Joyce Homewood. A confusing family to say the least
Alan

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 Feb 2013 11:41

The Mary L F Tinnuche was another sister born in France c1852. She married John Joyce Homewood. A confusing family to say the least...I believe the 1861 census says she was born Frognal not France!

So Bartolemy was born IOW 1847 and Maria Louisa Frognal (near Hampstead) in 1852

Also, Janet/Jessie is shown as Head in 1861 but not widowed?

Jude

Potty

Potty Report 16 Feb 2013 12:22

The Mary A in 1871 has a POB of Fernsoch, Nairn or Ross-shire. Looks as if Mary b Edinburgh has died and Thomas remarried?

Margee

Margee Report 16 Feb 2013 13:34

I'm getting confused!

Your first post says that Thomas Burke married Mary Louisa Frances Tennes in 1849 but both Isle of Wight records and FreeBMD show her name as Maria Timmichi/Tinnuchi.

The 1870 marriage record in London gives the name Maria Louisa F Tinnuchi.

Surey 2 sisters wouldn't be named Mary Louisa F. and Maria Louisa F?

Potty

Potty Report 16 Feb 2013 13:44

The 1849 marriage only has her as Maria:

Marriages Jun 1849 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Budden William Isle of Wight 8 413
Burke Thomas I of Wight 8 413
Downer Jacob I of Wight 8 413
Edmunds Jane I. of Wight 8 413
Sheath Ann I of Wight 8 413
Shirlaw Jane I of Wight 8 413
Tinnuchi Maria I of Wight 8 413
Urry Thomas Hamilton I of Wight 8 413

Potty

Potty Report 16 Feb 2013 14:19

A tree on Ancestry has this census tied to the family. Could 9 year old Mary be the one who married Thomas?

1841 England Census
about Mary Finnis
Name: Mary Finnis
[Mary Tinnis]
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Female
Where born: Foreign Parts

Civil parish: Chatham
Hundred: Chatham and Gillingham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Gillingham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 487
Book: 4
Folio: 20
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
George Gingell 46
Mary Gingell 36
Frederick Gingell 20
William Smith 18
Joseph Finnis 39
Jesse Finnis 28
Mary Finnis 9
Paul Finnis 5
Mathew Finnis 3


Alan

Alan Report 16 Feb 2013 14:45

Potty. This is the same Mary/Maria who married Thomas Burk. The surname has been mistranscribed.

Margee. I thought the same but it is true that there were 2 sisters of the same name. Was the 1st one dead at the time of the second ones birth? I would welcome a transcript of the baptismal record of Mary in Edinburgh.

HeyJudeB4Beatles
She was def born in France as according to my GGF obituary the family spent several yrs in France aftr leaving the IOW and then came back to London. Joseph the Father is not present and we assume died in France. On the later census records Jesse is recorded as a widow.

I am now coming to the conclusion that none of the census' are related to my Thomas and Mary/Maria since the child in the 1861 census born in India is related to another Thomas and Mary Ann

Potty

Potty Report 16 Feb 2013 15:04

The baptism will be on scotlandspeople, a pay-to-view site. There are two baptisms coming up in the Catholic baptisms for Mary Tennes (using surname variants) in July 1833 but neither are on the 1st. You will need to purchase credits on the site to view the image.

This is Maria Louisa on the 1861 - b1852. So, the first Mary could have died after the 1849 marriage and before her birth:

1861 England Census
about Maria Louisa Tunnachia
Name: Maria Louisa Tunnachia
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Janet Tunnachia
Gender: Female
Where born: France

Civil parish: Westminster St James
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: St James Westminster
Sub-registration district: Berwick Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 474
Piece: 61
Folio: 81
Page Number: 70
Household Members: Name Age
Janet Tunnachia 50
Auglangia Tunnachia 19
Matthew Tunnachia 20
Barthomely Tunnachia 14
Maria Louisa Tunnachia 9
May Carmichael 38
Joseph Riva 49


Potty

Potty Report 16 Feb 2013 15:11

There is a son, Alexander aged 1, on the 1871 census. scotlandspeople has only one birth for that name in Strichen in 1870. You will be able to view his birth registration on scotlandspeople and that will give you his mother's maiden name and also where and when they married.

Potty

Potty Report 16 Feb 2013 15:20

From familysearch the baptism of the James that Chris found:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGH5-57S
name: James Bourke
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 18 Mar 1866
baptism/christening place: Deesa, Bombay, India
birth date: 08 Mar 1866
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Bourke
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C00172-5
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 523925
reference number:
Collection: James Bourke, "India, Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947"

and Kenneth:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGHR-5VL
name: Kenneth Burke
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 09 Feb 1868
baptism/christening place: Deesa, Bombay, India
birth date: 03 Feb 1868
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Thomas Burke
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Mary
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C00206-7
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 523927
reference number:
Collection: Kenneth Burke, "India, Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947"

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Feb 2013 16:22

On 24 Sept. 1855, Thomas Burk (sic) married Mary Ann McDonald in St Mary's Chapel, Broughton Street, Edinburgh.
He was aged 27 (therefore born c.1828), born in Castle Hill, Co Galway, (probably means Co. Mayo) [NO! See edit at end of this post!] and it says he was a private in the 47th Regiment. His parents were Fanny & Patrick ?(Parker?) Burk. His father was a farmer.
Mary Ann was 20 (born c.1835), a servant, born parish of Avoch, Ross-shire . Parents Jane & James McDonald (a farmer).

1861: English census as given by Anne in earlier post - living in Aldershot.
1871: as in George-of-Westbury's post - Old Deer, Aberdeeenshire.
1881: as in Anne's post. Mary Ann's pob given as "Ferntosch"; this is Ferintosh, Ross-shire, near Avoch.
1891: ditto. MA's pob "Ferntoch, Nairnshire" - ie - Ferintosh, Ross-shire.
1901: ditto. "Ferntosh".

Looks like a totally different Thomas Burke from the one Alan's looking for.
Or if it's the same one, then Potty is correct, and Maria Tennes died between 1849 and 1855.

This Thomas Burke died in the registration district of Macduff, Banffshire in 1891, aged 62.
I'm not sure when Mary Ann died. Can't find her after 1901.

EDIT: On their marriage cert., Castle Hill is Thomas's "present" address, therefore Castle Hill, Edinburgh. His birthplace is Co. Galway as stated on certificate. I can't decipher the exact place in Galway.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 16 Feb 2013 18:37

Connie,
Out of interest, does the 1855 marriage say Thomas was a bachelor or does it say widower
Edit:
How many Irish born soldiers were there named: Thomas Burke?
Marital status on this one is not given!



1851 England Census
about Thomas Burke
Name: Thomas Burke
Age: 22 9 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Soldier
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Baley Peckan, Limerick, Ireland
Civil parish: Woolwich
Town: Greenwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Artillery Barracks
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1588
Folio: 417

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Feb 2013 23:36

Anne -

No marital status is given. On the marriage certificate there's a column headed "If a widower or widow, whether second or third marriage". Nothing is entered here, so either it's a clerical oversight, or he's not the same Thomas Burke, as suspected.

Unfortunately there were several Irish soldiers named Thomas Burke, born around the same time!

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 17 Feb 2013 00:19

Thanks Connie,
I momentarily forgot about 1855 certs and the wealth of info provided.
I haven't yet found an 1855 one ( MC) where a previous spouse was named anyway!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Feb 2013 08:59

Another thought:
In 1861 Thomas was with the 49th Regiment of Foot.
Judging by the pob's of sons William, James, & Kenneth, he stayed wiith them until at least 1868. And obviously his wife went along too.

Between 1849 and 1852 (when Mary Tennes/Tennuchi's younger sister of the same name was born), the 49th was based in Ireland and Corfu, so chances are the first Mary died in either of those places.

http://web.archive.org/web/20071031091908/http://www.regiments.org/deploy/uk/reg-inf/049-1.htm

RootsIreland lists two Mary Burkes, both died 1849, one in Co. Tyrone, one in Co. Galway, but I don't have credits at the moment to see the details.
But Irish records are notoriously patchy.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Feb 2013 16:04

Not helpful to Alan's search, but perhaps interesting:

Forces-war-records.co.uk shows that a Thomas Burke, a private in the 49th Regiment of Foot, was severely wounded in 1854, at the Battle of Inkermann, during the Crimean War.