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Hi thank you, not sure if that is linked, the details ive found george and esther married 1911. But myndad did say donakd family went to australia. I really cant than you guys enough for your help xx

Name: William H Horrobin
Gender: Male
Age: 39
Birth Date: abt 1910
Departure Date: 5 May 1949
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Ranchi
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Ranchi' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: P and O
Official Number: 148130
Master: R E J Tunbridge


EDIT

William was a Carpenter of 51 Copeley Hill, Erdington, Birmingham.

He was travelling with Hilda A, a housewife aged 36, June A, aged 14, Diane, aged 7 and Peter W, aged 3

Name: Esther Lowe
Gender: Female
Age: 63
Birth Date: abt 1885
Departure Date: 15 Apr 1948
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Stratheden
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Stratheden' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: P and O
Master: S W S Dickson



Esther was travelling alone. She was a housewife of 51 Copeley Hill, Birmingham (same address as the Horrobin family)

Electoral Rolls

Name: Dora May Dunford (Home Duties)
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1954
State: New South Wales
District: Banks
Subdistrict: Hurstville West
Address: 257 Dora Street

Also there Wilfred Dunford (Carpenter)

A copy of George and Esther's marriage cert will give you the names and occupations of their fathers. (If they knew who their Fathers were of course!)

A possibility.......

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: GEORGE, Esther
Address: 3 Church Hill Cottages Hamstead Road Handsworth

GEORGE, Isaac Head Married M 65 1846 Shoeing Smith Retired Ripple Worcestershire
GEORGE, Elizabeth Wife Married40 years F 67 1844 Halesowen Worcestershire
GEORGE, Esther Daughter Single F 26 1885 Warehouse Hand Handsworth Staffordshire
GEORGE, Isaac Son Single M 21 1890 Mechnic Grinder Handsworth Staffordshire
CHURCHLEY, William Henry Grandson Single M 16 1895 Mechnic Grinder Aston Duddeston
RG number: RG14
Piece: 17243
Reference: RG14PN17243 RG78PN1059 RD371 SD1 ED38 SN10
Registration District: West Bromwich
Sub District: Handsworth
Enumeration District: 38
Parish: Handsworth
Address: 3 Church Hill Cottages Hamstead Road Handsworth
County: Staffordshire
(9 children born, 7 living, 2 had died)


1901 England Census
about Esther George
Name: Esther George
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Isaac George
Mother's name: Elizabeth George
Gender: Female
Where born: Handsworth, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 204
Piece: 2712
Folio: 44
Page Number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac George 51 (Blacksmith)
Elizabeth George 55
William George 22
Esther George 16
Ada E George 13
Isaac George 11
William H Churchley 6 (Grandson)

That looks good Prickles - same year of birth on Esther's emigration record.

Blowed if I can find George Victor going to Australia or death records for him or Esther.

Mmm so looks like a child was born out of wedlock and there was me worried about having our children, then getting married lol and thank you :-D

Ive tried searching for georges side of the family, but im unable to find his mothers maiden name, any ideas? Xxx

Unfortunately MMN (Mothers Maiden Name) only appears on the record index of births from June 1911.

I have tried searching for George Victor with parents in the 1891 and 1901 census.......but not only is there not a George on a census with the middle name Victor or even with just the intial "V"........there is more than one to choose from.

I will take another look.....

Had a look and there are 3 possibilities.

I think you will need to purchase George and Esther's marrage cert.

The best place to order certs is online here.........

www.gro.gov.uk/

Certs cost £9.25

You will be asked......Is the GRO index reference number known?

By that they mean the Vol and Page number.

Thank you. I have found death details for. Geroge v lowe age 45 living in birmingham, but thats all it says so obv not 100% its him

Ive found on the 1901 census georges family, :-D

The Dunford family travelling to Sydney, arriving on 9th August 1949

Mr W Dunford, Mrs D M Dunford and Master M A Dunford

travelling on the 'Otranto'


http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/scripts/PassengerReport.asp




Births Dec 1941 (>99%)
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Dunford Michael A Lowe Birmingham 6d 895

That's good.

How do you know it is George's family's?

Thank you

Youll have to bear with me here lol. After adding him to my family tree, i had a few hits on the 1901 census. I knew he was born on west bromwich, birmingham, but obv wasnt sure. It showed him and his siblings and his parents.

??

RG14PN20626 RG78PN1231 RD430 SD4 ED34 SN41
Reg. District: Nottingham
Sub District: Nottingham North West
Parish: Nottingham
Enum. District: 34
Address: 119 Forster St Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire


GRUNDY, William Head Marraid M 66 1845 Lace Maker Nots Basford
GRUNDY, Phoebe Wife Marraid
26 years F 60 1851 Birmingham
GRUNDY, Arthur Adopted M 13 1898 Southampton
HUGHES, George Henry Boarder Single M 22 1889 Tinman Gear Case Maker Ladywood Bham
>>>>LOWE, George Victor Boarder Single M 24 1887 Tinman Gear Case Maker Birmingham

Choccy that's the same census as posted on page 1......

Nicola, I don't think that is your George....too young?

This man was born in 1911. Although I am not seeing a possible birth for him on FreeBMD.

Deaths Mar 1956 LOWE George V 45 Birmingham 9c 361

Your George would have been 69 in 1954?

Births Mar 1887 LOWE George Victor Birmingham 6d 89

Ok............someone correct me if i am wrong.

But i think the only way forward (Or backward!) and i know i have said it before............but i really do think you need to purchase a copy of George and Esther's marriage cert to be certain.

Prickles. x

Yes, I agree Prickles! Marriage certificate first, then if we can't find him on census his birth certificate.

I am wondering if his Mum re-married and he is lurking under a different surname in 1891 and 1901.

My thoughts exactly Rootgatherer. x