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Emma Eliza Humphrey 1879 Kent

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 10:21

Just checking - in an earlier post (at 08.53 today) you said the witness was Richard Cant, but I assume that was just a mistake?

Vera

Vera Report 10 May 2013 10:38

Sorry had laptop trouble!!!!!!


1891 ????
Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
HUMPHRY, Edward Head Married M 31 1860
Sevenoaks, Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Agnes Wife Married F 29 1862 General Labourer
Isle of Dogs VIEW
HUMPHRY, James Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Isle of Dogs VIEW
HUMPHRY, William Son M 4 1887
Greenwich VIEW
HUMPHRY, Edward Son M 0 (7M) 1891
Greenwich VIEW
Piece: 511
Folio: 116
Page: 50
Registration District: Greenwich
Civil Parish: Greenwich
Municipal Borough:
Address: 1, Caradoc Street, Greenwich
County: London



Regards Vera

Vera

Vera Report 10 May 2013 10:49

Checked births

William and James's parents from Poplar were Edward and Eliza.....although Edwards occupation was Labourer....not a fire fighter !!!

James 1890/1 father Edward and mother Agnes.



Regards Vera

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 11:44

Sorry, error on my part, just off nighthift..It was Richard Humphrey, not Cant...Did notice on both Edward Humphreys marriage ( first one to Eliza baker) his witness was Frederick Humphreys..

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 11:48

I have a marriage which has Edward Humphrey aged 42 widower to Sarah Ann Todd in 1901, his first wife (if its the correct wife, Eliza Baker died in 1894) he was listed as "driver"

Vera

Vera Report 10 May 2013 13:11

1901

Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where born Image
HUMPHRIES, Edward Head Widower M 42 1859 General Laborer
Sevenoaks, Kent VIEW
HUMPHRIES, James Son Single M 17 1884 General Laborer
Poplar, London VIEW
HUMPHRIES, William Son Single M 16 1885 General Laborer
Poplar, London VIEW
Piece: 358
Folio: 48
Page: 25
Registration District: Poplar
Civil Parish: Poplar
Municipal Borough:
Address: 17, Claude Street, Poplar
County: London



1911
married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image
HUMPHREY, Edward Head Married M 53 1858 Labourer Sevenoke Kent VIEW
HUMPHREY, Sarah Ann Wife Married10 years F 43 1868 St George E VIEW
HUMPHREY, James Lodger Single M 26 1885 Labourer Poplar VIEW
TODD, Thomas Lodger Single M 23 1888 Poplar VIEW
TODD, Elizabeth Lodger Single F 20 1891 Poplar VIEW
TODD, Percy Visitor Single M 15 1896 Messenger Boy Poplar VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1740
Reference: RG14PN1740 RG78PN60 RD22 SD3 ED24 SN7
Registration District: Poplar
Sub District: Poplar
Enumeration District: 24
Parish: Poplar Borough
Address: 247 West Ferry Road Millwall London E
County: London
refine search back to 1911 census search results 1911 address search

Regards Vera

Vera

Vera Report 10 May 2013 13:17

1871
Looks like Frederick was his brother....


HUMPHRY, William Head M 42 1829 Kent Ag Lab.
HUMPHRY, Jane Wife F 37 1834 Kent VIEW
>>>>>>>>>HUMPHRY, Edward Son M 12 1859 Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, James Son M 10 1861 Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Frances Daughter F 9 1862 Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Mary Ann Daughter F 7 1864 Kent VIEW
>>>>>>>HUMPHRY, Frederick Son M 4 1867 Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Ezekiel Son M 3 1868 Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Charles Son M 1 1870 Kent VIEW
HUMPHRY, Ada Daughter F 0 1871 Kent VIEW
Piece: 921
Folio: 33
Page: 3
Registration District: Sevenoaks
Civil Parish: Seal
Municipal Borough:
Address: Bitchet, Lower, Seal
County: Kent




Regards Vera

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 14:19

Thanks Vera, I note the 1881 census listing Edward and Eliza, and see that its the same couple who have just married since it lists Edward as being in the fire brigade, but I see another 1881 census listing Eliza Humphrey "married" aged 24 with her father John Baker.???? is it possible that Eliza was visiting just as the census were being done, and her area already done!! or is this a different Eliza?? :-S

Vera

Vera Report 10 May 2013 15:23

It certainly does look like she has been duplicated on the 1881 census........John Baker was her father his occupation was labourer...as on her marriage certificate.

Regards Vera

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 10 May 2013 15:33

Confused!!!

Where is the "Eliza" part coming into play? On her marriage cert-does it actually list her name as Emma Eliza? She doesn't seem to die (if we've got the correct one) as Emma E.

On the marriage cert-are any addresses given?

Have you been in contact with the other tree owners?

Sorry if any of these questions have been asked before. :-)

Vera

Vera Report 10 May 2013 15:36

Hi Maureen, At this point we are talking about Emma Elizabeths mother ..Eliza maiden name Baker.

Regards Vera

Vera

Vera Report 10 May 2013 15:49

Going back to Emma Humphrey..... The only way to find out if this is your Emma Elizabeth although there is no second name given is to send for a birth certificate..

What about this birth

Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Humphrey Emma Tunbridge 2a 704



Regards Vera

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 10 May 2013 15:52

Hi Vera,

Yes..but..the OP says Emma Eliza Humphrey. That's what I was wondering about.


Moxx

Vera

Vera Report 10 May 2013 15:57

Maybe she decided to add the Elizabeth/Eliza later.....who knows........The Tunbridge Reg. area includes Brenchley and Brasted.
Just a thought.

Regards Vera

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 18:47

Says on the marriage certificate Emma Eliza Humphrey, address for both was 2 Avondale or Stevendale (cant quiet make it out) this was in St Johns Church, Poplar, Middlesex..The marriage for William Cant in 1912 was to Emma Humphrey aged 21 at East Farleigh? Kent lists father as Richard and witnesses were Richard Humphrey and Ellen Green (I think) :-S

Treemadnancy

Treemadnancy Report 10 May 2013 18:50

For heavens sakes now I'm getting confused, disregard the Emma Eliza Humphrey it was Eliza Baker...Says on this marriage to Edward Humphrey the witnesses were Frederick Humphrey and Samuel Nichols :-S :-S :-S

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 10 May 2013 19:33

I still think it's the Brenchley one-daughter of Richard and Emma birth reg Tunbridge 1892.

She just seems to "fit" perfectly.

Having said that...can anyone spot her in 1911? :-)

Her parents are in East Farleigh but she's not with them.

Maureen

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 20:58

I agree with Maureen - I think it's the Brenchley one, and therefore the Tonbridge birth
She has father Richard, and brothers Richard and Edward, as well as other siblings.


But there's something strange somewhere.
To recap:
She is only ever listed as Emma, in BMD records and censuses. Not Emma Eliza.
Nancy says the marriage cert says Emma Eliza, but she's just Emma on the FreeBMD marriage record.

Her mother's Emma, not Eliza.

There's no Emma Humphrey born in Kent in the years Nancy mentioned, and no Emma Eliza between 1885 and 1895 anywhere in England/Wales, let alone Kent.

In fact, there's no sign of an Emma meeting the criteria in Nancy's OP in any record except the marriage cert Nancy has..

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 21:03

Without any proof of anything one way or the other, it sounds to me like two different Emmas.

One Emma Eliza, with parents Edward and Eliza, but whose existence we can't find except on Nancy's marriage cert..

And the Brenchley Emma with parents Richard and Emma, who is clearly recorded all the way. (At least up to 1901 in censuses, also probably her marriage - to William Cant - and death as Emma Cant.)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2013 21:28

Her brother Richard is the only one of the family I can find in 1911:


1911 England Census about Richard Humphrey
Name: Richard Humphrey
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brenchley, Kent
Civil parish: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Lucerne Street, Maidstone, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Carman
Registration district: Maidstone
Registration District Number: 51
Sub-registration district: Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 184
Piece: 4136
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Humphrey 26
Florence Humphrey 21