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Harvey

Harvey Report 29 May 2013 14:24

Is there anyway to find the original birth surname from an adoption certificate. I have the adoption certificate showing adoption as Hilda Elizabeth Turner born 1915 adopted 1930. I would be grateful for any help with this. Harvey Charles Cawley

Reggie

Reggie Report 29 May 2013 14:50

Only if you are the person concerned, and you can obtain access to the adoption records.

Adoption files close when the adoptee dies

Odds are that her forenames were not changed, as she was 15 years of age

EVEIE

EVEIE Report 29 May 2013 15:33

found these as you didn't say where born only 1915

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Adams
Birth: Oct 1915 - Highwood, Wiltshire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Adkin
Birth: Jan 1915 - Shardlow, Derbyshire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Barnsley
Birth: Jan 1915 - King's Norton, Warwickshire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Barrell
Birth: Oct 1915 - Islington, London
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Barrett
Birth: Oct 1915 - Isle of Wight, Hampshire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Beachell
Birth: Jan 1915 - Beverley, Yorkshire East Riding
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Boreham
Birth: Jan 1915 - Sudbury, Suffolk
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Bott
Birth: Jul 1915 - Aston, Warwickshire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Elizabeth Hilda Bousfield
Birth: Jul 1915 - Gateshead, Durham
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth I Brannan
Birth: Apr 1915 - Stoke Damerel, Devon
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Bridge
Birth: Jan 1915 - Sudbury, Suffolk
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Carman
Birth: Jul 1915 - Wayland, Norfolk
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Cawkwell
Birth: Oct 1915 - Louth, Lincolnshire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Clixby
Birth: Oct 1915 - Wortley, Yorkshire West Riding
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Cooksey
Birth: Jan 1915 - Devizes, Wiltshire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Crabtree
Birth: Oct 1915 - Salford, Lancashire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Cullum
Birth: Jul 1915 - Norwich, Norfolk
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth A Deary
Birth: Apr 1915 - Norwich, Norfolk
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Denton
Birth: Oct 1915 - Barnsley, Yorkshire West Riding
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Derwas
Birth: Jul 1915 - Atcham, Shropshire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Dolman
Birth: Apr 1915 - Derby, Derbyshire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Doutch
Birth: Oct 1915 - Newton Abbot, Devon
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth E Drewitt
Birth: Jul 1915 - Downham, Norfolk
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Elizabeth Hilda Duthie
Birth: Jul 1915 - West Derby, Lancashire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Forrest
Birth: Jul 1915 - Dudley, Worcestershire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Elizabeth Hilda T Gaines
Birth: Apr 1915 - Lewisham, London
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Elizabeth Hilda Glazier
Birth: Jan 1915 - Kingston, Surrey
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Grew
Birth: Jan 1915 - West Ham, Essex
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Grew
Birth: Jan 1915 - West Ham, Essex
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Halstead
Birth: Apr 1915 - Burnley, Lancashire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Elizabeth Hilda Hattam
Birth: Oct 1915 - Penzance, Cornwall
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Hawkes
Birth: Jan 1915 - Wellingborough, Northamptonshire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Hawkins
Birth: Oct 1915 - Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth B Hawkins
Birth: Oct 1915 - Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth M Hiles
Birth: Jan 1915 - Axbridge, Somerset
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Baptism & Christening
Name: Hilda Elizabeth Howells
Birth: Oct 1915 - Pancras, London

patchem

patchem Report 29 May 2013 19:12

Are you referring to your Mother, as this looks like your parents' marriage?
Marriages Sep 1939
Cawley Arthur Turner Manchester 8d 516
Turner Hilda E Cawley Manchester 8d 516

Added:
subsequent second marriage, and death?
Hilda E Cawley
Spouse Surname: Hollingworth
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1951
Registration District: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 10e
Page Number: 1079

Hilda E Hollingworth
Birth Date: abt 1916
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1964
Age at Death: 48
Registration District: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10e
Page: 68

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 29 May 2013 19:14

as far as I know you cant get an original birth certificate UNLESS you are the person

patchem

patchem Report 29 May 2013 19:21

There are 2 or 3 births in Lancashire in that list that Eveie has posted....
Apply for them and see what happens?

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 29 May 2013 19:31

If the person was adopted you cant get the certificate ..........personal experiance

EVEIE

EVEIE Report 30 May 2013 13:44

my nephew was born 1990 and adopted his orig birth certificates there

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 30 May 2013 13:54

Not sure you would be able to get a full cert though, i.e. one showing parents?
Jan

Reggie

Reggie Report 30 May 2013 14:32

You have to KNOW the birth name to look for the reg'n and get a cert................for that info, you need to view the adoption files

This person is almost certainly deceased, so the adoption file is CLOSED.

Harvey

Harvey Report 30 May 2013 19:33

My mother Hilda Elizabeth cawley nee Turner was born 28th December 1915 adopted by Joe & Elsie Turner 1930 She remarried Mr Ernest Hollingsworth. I have searched for a birth as Turner without success I cannot find her original birth dateSo am a bit stumped.

Harvey

patchem

patchem Report 30 May 2013 19:47

What name was she known by before her adoption - or did she never tell you?
She was probably registered in Jan/March 1916.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 30 May 2013 21:45

Harvey, can I just ask why you looked for her birth under the surname Turner?
Also, do you know Elsie's maiden name? Just wondering if there might be a connection with family somewhere.
Jan

Harvey

Harvey Report 31 May 2013 09:32

Looked under Turner as thought adoption might be within the family place of birth probably Manchester do not know Elsie Turner's maiden name

harvey

Reggie

Reggie Report 31 May 2013 09:40

Look for the marriage on freebmd to find out

Didn't your mother ever speak about her birth family?

She wasn't adopted until she was 14/15, so she must have been aware of events and people in her life prior to that.

She must have known - at least - where she lived

Adoption at such a comparatively late age is fairly unusual

Or have you only found about her being adopted since she died?

Reggie

Reggie Report 31 May 2013 09:44

Only ONE birth for Hilda E in JFM 1916 in Lancashire

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Walton Hilda E Parker Ashton 8d 813

There were four in OND 1915, but it's unlikely that her birth would have been registered so quickly in view of the time of year

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 31 May 2013 18:18

This was brought to my attention simply because of your Surname Harvey....I too am one of those but a West Country one...So no relation as far as I can see unless its back in the mists of time.

I also note that no one has made the suggestion that maybe she was adopted informally as a baby and when it became legal to adopt in 1927?they then applied to do so..
Did they have her from infancy and give her the name Hilda Elizabeth themselves?
What do you know of Joe and Elsie please?Can you give everything you do know....Also take into account your mother was a "war"baby and could have been born anywhere if illegit to cover her mothers shame.
And you CAN get her original birth cert if you know her birth name and place as I have done so for a friend of mine with her mother who had passed away..
Fans

Harvey

Harvey Report 31 May 2013 20:02

I did assume she was adopted informally prior to 1930 as the adoption act was not passed till 1927 my mother died in 1964 before I was interested in geneology and weas not aware my mother had been adopted Joe & Elsie turner had no other children Harvey

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 31 May 2013 20:19

Looking at that birth that Reggie posted as being the most likely in Lancs. I wonder if these were the parents?

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)

Parker Emma Walton Burnley 8e 445
Walton Harry S Parker Burnley 8e 445

It could be worth checking if Emma Parker as the mother of a Hilda Elizabeth remarried or died, It seems possible that Harry S Walton is this one

Births Jun 1884 (>99%)
Walton Harry Stodart Burnley 8e 310

who may be this death in WW1, thus leaving Emma alone with a child?

WALTON, HARRY STUTTARD Private 26644 02/08/1917 Grenadier Guards United Kingdom Panel 9 and 11. YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

It's a very long shot that Joe or Elsie Turner was in some way related?

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 31 May 2013 20:36

The only marriage for Joseph and Elsie I can find is in 1913 and her name is Depalma/Dipalma. And I cannot find anything else on the Deplama family