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Also the death is Josephine is registered in Southend ...this is Essex isn't it? Or am I over thinking this

Hampstead is in London near here and spans the boundaries of Camden/Brent boroughs. Willesden is also in Brent.

Southend is the other side of the River Thames from Canvey Island. Rochford and Benfleet are also the same area

Just wondering what happened to Rose after 1964.

Like you all I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Spent the past few hours carefully checking the records and finding the current addresses of the presumed daughters and their hubbies of Victor and Kathleen Worthington.
Can't be absolutely sure but all looks so promising - have PM'd the stuff to Peter

Nite all

:-D

The letters I sent first class to the adresses for the daughters of victor m worthington would have arrived today hopefully so maybe they'll contact with a link or not

Well done I hope you hear back soon and in the affirmative.

I guess, if we are right, that Victor must have changed his name officially at some point as he would need is birth certificate to get married, get a passport etc.

Fingers and toes crossed over here!

;-)

I'm so grateful for all your help and so quickly too. I will of course let you know a.s.a.p :o)

No reply as yet :-(

Oh disappointment I saw you had added to the thread and thought YESSSS but No. Hope a reply arrives soon.

I have now messaged (on genes reunited) the lady who appears to be the wife of one of josephine's son's, david dudley.

Hi everybody. My name is Lianne, steve's daughter in law. He's finding this all very overwhelming and I have logged in to get my head around it all. Just to update you all so far there is no reply from the girls (Dawn and Paula), however somebody has spoken to one of them Dawn. She says there is no connection so I'm thinking the Dawn and Paula born from the marraige of Victor M Worthington and Kathleen Drury are not cousins of steve's and therefore neither is this Victor M Worthington. I have now written to Ronald Dudley beleived to be the son of Josephine Dudley.

I understand that a death certificate has been obtained by the lady helping steve for his late grandfather, named Michele (otherwise Michael) PACITTI of 32 Redfern Road, Willesden. He died on 4th November 1953 and was husband to steve's grandmother Maria Antonia Pacitti. The informant of the death was Anthony Pacitti. The lady helping Steve wrote to this Anthony Pacitti at the address stated (I'm yet to find out this address) in 2009 but received no reply :(

oh Peter Worthington is steve. He was born peter worthington but his adoptive parents changed his name to stephen peter noble

It is always possible that Dawn doesn't know her grand fathers history. Lots of people don't. I really hope Peter/Steve finds out some of his past soon.

Wendy

Hi Wendy, Cupcakes found a number for this Dawn and spoke with her. Apparently there is no connection. So either her dad isn't Victor Worthington or her dad isn't 'the' Victor Worthington. I'm not entirely sure what was said during the conversation.

Lianne x

Hi Lianne, I will look at this again as so much of the info just seems to be correct. Addresses, places names and dates tie in with info that Steve has. We are either going wrong somewhere or possibly, for whatever reason, the wrong info was given by the person contacted.

Hi Wendy, It was very dissappointing to hear this I must say. I'm not sure if I should ring and speak to Dawn myself but steve did send a letter to both her and her sister, paula detailing the history so surely if she'd received the letter she would have thought there was connection there even if she didn't understand that from the phonecall :-/ x

Hi everybody, this is Lianne xx

I have just received an email from Ronald Dudley, son of Josephine, my birth mother's sister! He confirms he is this man (steve wrote to him at the address given for him in Devon, by Cupcakes)! He has emailed me back and forth this evening and has included photo's of Steve's birth mother and son, Victor. I will copy and past some info from the email for you all! He is ringing us this evening xx So grateful for your help everybody this is unbeleivable ! x

Great news. You may not believe this but I have been working on your info since 7.30 this morning as I was convinced that we near to finding the link.

Please keep us updated. So was Victor M Worthington the right guy and was he Once Pacitti.

Wendy

you're all so lovely and so kind to be working so hard and helping look, we can't thank you enough. One sec and I'll copy over what he says so far ......

hi Lianne

Yes you are correct, Rosa was my aunt, Joseapina was my mum, Victor who was always called by his Italian (family came from a small village in Italy between Rome and Naples) name of Vito move to Australia many years ago and I have no idea where he is if he is still alive, Rosa had other sisters, Margarita ,Anunsyada, Lucia, as well as brothers Carlos and Antonio who died last year just under 100 years old! in fact all have passed away now, i will phone you later .....

I wonder when he moved to Australia ill see if I can find anything. I can't express how pleased I am for Steve and what a great early birthday present. X