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William T Roe and Esther Roe

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Stephen

Stephen Report 25 Sep 2013 15:48

I know that Esther Roe married her cousin William and I know Esther's connection with my family, but I don't know about William b1869. They both went to America in 1914. any information would be helpful.

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 25 Sep 2013 15:53

For ref

Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%)

Roe Esther Allen Northampton 3b 170
Roe William Thomas Northampton 3b 170

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 25 Sep 2013 15:54

1891 England Census about William T Roe
Name: William T Roe
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Northampton
Sub-registration District: St Giles
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1199
Folio: 26
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Roe 65
Ann Roe 63
Esther Roe 23
William T Roe 22
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Helen

Helen Report 25 Sep 2013 15:55

1911 England Census about William Thomas Roe
Name: William Thomas Roe
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Northampton
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street Address: 63 Colwyn Road Northampton
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Boot Operator
Registration District: Northampton
Registration District Number: 163
Sub-registration District: St Giles
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household Schedule Number: 11
Piece: 8400
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Roe 82
William Thomas Roe 42
Esther Allen Roe 43
Burnham Thomas Allen Roe 18
Victor Richard Roe 7

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Sep 2013 16:06

1871:

Name: William T Roe
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William S Roe
Mother's Name: Mary Roe
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England
Civil Parish: St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Registration District: Leicester
Sub-registration District: East Leicester

Household Members:

William S Roe 36 c1835 Woodford, Northamptonshire, England<<<<<<
Mary Roe 29 c1842 Wadhurst, Sussex, England
Albert N E Roe 5 c1866 St Luke, London, England
Florance M A Roe 4 c1867 Shoreditch, London, England
William T Roe 2 c1869 Islington, London, England<<<<<
Alice E Roe 2 Months c1871 Deptford, St Paul
Frances Linger 22 wife's sister c1849 Clerkenwell, London, England

Edit: Richard Roe, Esther's father, was born c1826 Woodfield Northants (acc to 1891 census); William Thomas's father William S Roe was born Woodford, Northants c1835. Were they brothers?

Stephen

Stephen Report 25 Sep 2013 16:09

That all fits with what I have found except that William was born in London. I am trying to establish who his parents were so that I can understand why he was Esther's cousin. I was expecting him to have been born in Northamptonshire.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Sep 2013 16:12

You have his parents in the 1871 census above, William S Roe born c1835 Woodford and Mary born Sussex.

Stephen

Stephen Report 25 Sep 2013 16:16

That is really interesting :-) I know that my ancestors were from Woodford, but I haven't come across William S Roe before. Who were his parents?

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Sep 2013 16:18

????

This possible marriage seems a bit out of area for both Mary and William S, and a bit tight for birth of son Albert who is 5 in 1871


Marriages Dec 1866
ROE William S Bridgwater 5c 678 <<<<<<<
ROSSITER Mary A Bridgwater 5c 678 <<<<<
Thorne George Bridgwater 5c 678 Scan available - click to view
Witcombe Dorcas J Bridgwater 5c 678

EDIT: I now think this is wrong, as I believe William is actually William A, not William S, on the actual image of the 1871 census (ie wrongly transcribed).

I've posted what I believe to be the correct marriage for William Allen Roe born c1834 Woodford, Northants, further down the thread.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Sep 2013 16:20

Sadly this might be William senior in 1841:

Address: Thrapston Union Workhouse, Thrapston County: Northamptonshire

ROE, William M 7 1834 Northamptonshire

There is also a 9 yr old Jane Roe in the workhouse.

Stephen

Stephen Report 25 Sep 2013 16:25

I would really like to know who William S Roe's parents were as I have already established a family tree, but he isn't on it. I would also like to know if there is a link between the Tipperary Roes an ones in Northamptonshire.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Sep 2013 16:27

I think William 'S', is actually William A on the image of the 1871 census, and has been mistranscribed.

In which case, if he wasn't baptised straight away, this MIGHT be him:


Name: William Allen Roe
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 18 Nov 1837
Christening Place: Woodford (near Thrapston), Northampton, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Roe
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Esther
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00766-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 6129459
Reference ID: yr 1813-1858 p 56

EDIT: The same parents had at least one more child baptised the same day as William, I think she might be the Jane who was with William in the workhouse in the 1841 census I posted :

Name: Jane Roe
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 18 Nov 1837
Christening Place: Woodford (near Thrapston), Northampton, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Roe
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Esther
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00766-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 6129459
Reference ID: yr 1813-1858 p 56

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Sep 2013 16:32

This is purely speculative as we have no indication of age of the deceased, but might this be the death of William and Jane's mother?

Deaths Mar 1839 Roe Esther Thrapston 15 250

(Woodford comes under Thrapston R D).


Same caveats for a possible death of their father - no indication of age.

Deaths Dec 1837 Roe Thomas Thrapston 15 2[14]4

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Sep 2013 16:33

Duplicate post:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1331985

Just use one thread, Stephen, or people will be duplicating the research.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Sep 2013 16:39

Found details of burials:

Esther was an adult, as was Thomas. If they are the same Thomas and Esther who were the parents of Jane and William, this could explain why the children had both ended up in the workhouse by 1841.

Parish Record Collection - Burial Record

Forename: Esther
Surname: Roe
Year: 1839
Month: Feb
Day: 10
Place: Woodford by Thrapston
County: Northamptonshire
Abode: Woodford
Age: 36
Register Reference: B0232/0305
Record source: Northamptonshire Burials
Data provider: Northamptonshire Family History Society

Parish Record Collection - Burial Record

Forename: Thomas
Surname: Roe
Year: 1837
Month: Nov
Day: 26
Place: Woodford by Thrapston
County: Northamptonshire
Abode: Woodford
Age: 38
Register Reference: B0232/0289
Record source: Northamptonshire Burials
Data provider: Northamptonshire Family History Societ

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Sep 2013 16:43

I'm not working any further on this thread, as I don't know if the work is being duplicated on the other thread.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Sep 2013 16:47

OK - I fibbed. Marriage of William Allen Roe...

Marriages Jun 1864
Allison Annie Jane Shoreditch 1c 319
Roe William Allen Shoreditch 1c 319 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Sivyer Mary Shoreditch 1c 319 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Wall William Charles Frederick Shoreditch 1c 319

Reggie

Reggie Report 25 Sep 2013 16:56

Stephen

You aren't doing yourself any favours by posting the same request twice................

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Sep 2013 16:59

Thomas and Esther Roe did have a son called Richard, baptised in that batch lot on 18/11/1837, along with Jane and William Allen Roe. Could he be the Richard who is Esther's father?

Name: Richard Roe
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 18 Nov 1837
Christening Place: Woodford (near Thrapston), Northampton, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Roe
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Esther
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00766-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 6129459
Reference ID: yr 1813-1858 p 55

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 25 Sep 2013 17:02

A fourth child baptised in that same job lot.

Since you know where Richard fits in with your family, is he the Richard who is the son of Esther and Thomas Roe? Seems pretty likely to me. Richard's daughter Esther may even have been named for her paternal grandmother.

Name: James Roe
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 18 Nov 1837
Christening Place: Woodford, Northampton, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Roe
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Esther Roe
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04951-9
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1999552
Reference ID: it2,#440

EDIT: Given that Thomas Roe was buried on the 26th Nov 1837, and at least four of his children were baptised in a job lot on the 18th Nov 1837, I wondered if the two events were linked in some way. Did they decide to get the children done before Thomas passed on, or did a clergyman attending Thomas on his possible deathbed (though we don't know the cause of death) perhaps bring pressure to bear?