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Amy...It probably would only ring a bell if they were related....What you need to be looking for is a marriage between an Albert Keen/Bolton possibly when he was in his early 20s..not necessarily in the area he lived ...Does your parents Marriage Cert state he was a Widow..?

Is this it...


Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)

Dumbleton Emily Solihull 6d 1064
Keen Albert Solihull 6d 1064

Amy....This is the only Emily in the correct age group...



England and Wales Census, 1901

Name Emily Dumbleton
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Yardley (Worcs), Warwickshire, England
County Warwickshire
Civil Parish Yardley (Worcs)
Ecclesiastical Parish Yardley St Cyprian Hay Mill
Sub-District Solihull
Registration District Solihull
Residence Note Coventry Road
Gender Female
Age 16
Occupation GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Birth Year (Estimated) 1885
Birthplace Brailes, Warwickshire
Schedule Type 17
Page Number 3


Prior to 1911 mothers maiden name not shown so there could have been children from the marriage ..post 1911 found this....

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)

Keen Marie W Dumbleton Aston

This is where the confusion with the name change comes from I think. It looks as if your father was born before his parents marriage, so his surname was always Bolton and his middle name Keen (illegitimate children were often given their father's surname as a middle name). His parents married very soon after his birth by the looks of things as the marriage is in the same quarter as the birth:-

First name(s) ALBERT KEEN
Last name BOLTON
Birth year 1886
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District WOODSTOCK
County Oxfordshire
Country England
Volume 3A
Page 828

EDIT - I HAVE DELETED THE MARRIAGE AND TWO CHILDREN I THOUGHT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ALBERT'S FIRST MARRIAGE.

SEE MY POST LATER.

Kath. x

Kath.....I am totally lost now...!!!

Eringobragh1916

Sorry about that, it's just that I don't know why Amy thinks that her father's first wife might be Emily Dumbleton if she hasn't got the marriage certificate to check.

I'm pretty sure that the birth above will be the right one as it would be a coincidence if not.

I could be completely wrong about the marriage but it's in the same area as the birth and Amy thought there may be children to the marriage.

I think some certificates are needed or things could get even more complicated.

Kath. x

Complicated is an understatement....just try going back to the Parents of Annie Elizabeth Bolton (Keen)..in Steeple Aston...!!

Think I have found them. Is her mother Emily Fanny Claridge (nee Bolton)?

Kath. x

Oh yes..!!! But go back to where she is married to William Bolton (Lawyer...) Steeple Aston...(married Bicester Sept 1860 maiden name Tuscain)

Well done for finding that birth registration Kathleen!

This is possibly Albert on the 1911 census.......

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Albert Keen in the 1911 England Census
Name:Albert Keen
Age in 1911:25
Estimated birth year:abt 1886
Gender:Male
Birth Place:OXFORD, Oxford, England
Civil Parish:St James, Westminster
County/Island:London
Country:England
Street address:71 Jermyn St
Marital Status:Single
Occupation:VALET OF CHAMBERS
Registration district:Westminster
Sub-registration district:St James and St Anne

Household Members:

Ada Mary Gould 34
Harriet Tagg 46
Hilda Mary Day 32
Jessie Fannon 26
George L Handley 27
Edwin Holland 33
Edith Holland 31
William Stokes 26
Catherine Deacon 26
Louisa Holden 33
Mary Gillan 20
Meldna Hudson 20
May Laurene 38
Julia Murth 34
Charles Talmer 38
Albert Keen 25 <<<<<<
Edward Smith 29
Mary Keep 36

I'm completely lost with Annie Elizabeth's parents now (although on Findmypast the mother's maiden name is Tustain rather than Tuscain).

I'll have to leave this for now as we are going out early for a meal.

Will come back to the thread later tonight to see what's what.

Kath. x

That looks pretty good for Albert in the 1911 census PricklyHolly. I would imagine that he only used his actual birth name of Bolton on official documents - like marriage certificates etc. Probably always known as Keen so as the same as the rest of the family.

Kath. x

I think for further information.........Amy needs to purchase a copy of the 1938 marriage certificate for Albert Bolton.

Spouse...Amy E Lockley???

Already have a copy of my parent's marriage certificate Albert married Amy Elizabeth Lockley in 1938 my mother.

Albert in his first marriage had as many as 13 children, goodness knows who they all are. I have drawn a complete blank on them.

Does your father name Mark Keen as his father on your parent's marriage certificate (or is there no father mentioned) - just so we know we are looking at the correct family?

What is your father's occupation on your parent's marriage certificate?

What leads you to believe that your father had so many children from his first marriage?


Kath. x

FINALLY......I think this is Albert Keen and Emily Dumbleton after their marriage in the 1911 census (Albert born in the right place):-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
30 Parliament St Small Heath B'Ham, Aston, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

Albert Keen Head Married Male Cycle Fitter 28 1883 Banbury Oxford
Emiloy Keen Wife Married Female - 28 1883 Budbrook Warwick (Emily on image)
Dorothy Keen Daughter Married Female - 6 1905 Sparkbrook Bham
Elsie Keen Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Coventry
Mable Keen Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Coventry
Gladys Keen Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Samll Heath Bham

That would give 11 children with the ones born after the 1911 census.

This would rule out the Albert Keen found in London in the 1911 census<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I have deleted the earlier marriage I thought might be his when I found his birth as Albert Keen Bolton.

I now think the marriage to Emily Dumbleton is much more likely now that Amy has said she thinks her father had a large number of children from his first marriage.

Kath. x

If your father's first marriage WAS to Emily Dumbleton (and he used the Keen surname) then there are these births after 1911 :-

KEEN ALBERT E 1915 — 1915 England & Wales births 1837-2006 Aston, Warwickshire, England

KEEN DAVID R 1930 — 1930 England & Wales births 1837-2006 Warwick, Warwickshire, England
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KEEN JOHN H 1925 — 1925 England & Wales births 1837-2006 Warwick, Warwickshire, England

KEEN MARGARET F 1923 — 1923 England & Wales births 1837-2006 Warwick, Warwickshire, England

KEEN MARIE W 1913 — 1913 England & Wales births 1837-2006 Aston, Warwickshire, England

KEEN MARJORIE R 1917 — 1917 England & Wales births 1837-2006 Coventry, Warwickshire, England

KEEN PHYLLIS M 1920 — 1920 England & Wales births 1837-2006 Warwick, Warwickshire, England

Kath. x

My father names Mark Keen as his father on the marriage certificate in 1938. Mark was deceased by this time. My father states his own occupation as Civil Engineer. The info you have all found out seems to be on the right track.