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NOT Harry Breed b1876 Shefford Bedfordshire

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JannieAnnie

JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 18:38


I AM PULLING UP THIS THREAD AGAIN Please go to end of Page 2 - Looking for the DEATH of an AMBROSE (child) born and died BETWEEN 1901? and the 1911 Census please

EDIT: Not interested in Harry at the moment

Who is Harry - this is my dilemma. I think he is a made up person!

Harry Breed appears in the 1901 Census, he is shown as single , aged 25 born in 1876 in Shefford, Bedfordshire.

There is a birth in Huntingdonshire in 1874, a marriage in 1903 (Ampthill) and other Harry births in 1881 or 1883 in Shefford (other GR Members' Trees) plus some deaths, but...........

I cannot (yet) locate a convincing corresponding birth for him - the years and places are always out - which is why I think he may be a made up person!

Thought I would see if anyone has more success or suggestions?

MrsBucketBouquet

MrsBucketBouquet Report 2 Jul 2012 18:44

1891
Harry Breed
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Eli Breed
Mother's name: Ann Breed
Gender: Male
Where born: Shefford, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Shefford Hardwick
Ecclesiastical parish: Formerly Extra Parochial
Town: Shefford Hardwick
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1257
Folio: 33
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Eli Breed 35
Ann Breed 39
Alfred Breed 15
Frederick Breed 13
William Breed 12
Harry Breed 10
Lily Breed 7
John Breed 4
Joseph Breed 2
Ann Breed 1


Have you looked for Harold? Henry?

patchem

patchem Report 2 Jul 2012 18:49

How did you arrive at Harry?
have you got a marriage certificate for name of Father?
Thanks

Added:
1911 (corresponding to the Ampthill marriage)
BREED, Harry Head Married M 29 1882 Sweep Shefford Beds
BREED, Annie Wife Married7 years F 31 1880 Clophill Beds
BREED, Albert Son M 9 1902 Maulden Beds
BREED, Mary Daughter F 1 1910 Shefford Beds

RG number: RG14 Piece: 8930 Reference: RG14PN8930 RG78PN471 RD176 SD2 ED5 SN229

Registration District: Ampthill Sub District: Ampthill Enumeration District: 5
Parish: Maulden Address: Water End Maulden Ampthill County: Bedfordshire

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Jul 2012 18:51

The image is unclear he is Harry Breed transcribed on FMP and Harry Bread on Ancestry. the image looks more like Bread .
1901 census transcription details for: 15, Private House, Ashdown Street, St Pancras

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 154
Folio: 112
Page: 46
Reg. District: St Pancras
Sub District: Kentish Town
Parish: St Pancras
Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District: St Andrew
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 15, Private House, Ashdown Street, St Pancras
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HILL, Isabella Head Widow F 44 1857
Stepney, London
HILL, Walter Son Single M 19 1882 Waiter Coffee Shop
Islington, London
HILL, Alfred Son Single M 17 1884 Raily Porter
Islington, London
HILL, Anne Daughter Single F 23 1878 Laundress
Islington, London
HILL, James Son Single M 12 1889
Islington, London
BREED, Harry Boarder Single M 25 1876 Excavator
Shefford, Bedfordshire
DONELLY, William Boarder Single M 41 1860 Miner
Manchester, Lancashire


1901 England Census about Harry Bread
Name: Harry Bread
[User-submitted-comment] lodger not BIL
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Shefford, Bedfordshire, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 303
Piece: 154
Folio: 112
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabella Hill 44
Walter Hill 19
Alfred Hill 19
Anne Hill 23
James Hill 12
Harry Bread 25 >>
William Donelly 45

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 154; Folio: 112; Page: 46.
Source Information:

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 2 Jul 2012 18:52

Can you link yourself to the Harry in 1901?

Can't quite make out his occupation.... Some sort of excavator ?

Gwyn

patchem

patchem Report 2 Jul 2012 18:58

The 1874 birth is no good:
Births Mar 1874
BREED Harry St. Ives 3b 295
Deaths Jun 1874
BREED Harry 0 St Ives 3b 176

JannieAnnie

JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 18:59

Located him through 1901 Census record at 15 Ashdown Street - I have tried connecting him back to 1911 Census - but it does not make sense that Harry born in Shefford, married in Ampthill with a son born in 1902 was in Islington in 1901 and giving the wrong year of birth

RG14PN8930 RG78PN471 RD176 SD2 ED5 SN229
Reg. District: Ampthill
Sub District: Ampthill
Parish: Maulden
Enum. District: 5
Address: Water End Maulden Ampthill
County: Bedfordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BREED, Harry Head Married M 29 1882 Sweep Shefford Beds
BREED, Annie Wife Married
7 years F 31 1880 Clophill Beds
BREED, Albert Son M 9 1902 Maulden Beds
BREED, Mary Daughter F 1 1910 Shefford Beds

MrsBucketBouquet

MrsBucketBouquet Report 2 Jul 2012 19:02

Marriage
Harry Breed
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Registration district: Ampthill
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 823
Spouse...Sarah Ann B. Odell

Ampthill and Shefford are close together.
8 miles apart.

patchem

patchem Report 2 Jul 2012 19:03

?
Births Mar 1883
Breed Harry Biggleswade 3b 381
(Biggleswade is Shefford)
?
Harry Breed
Birth Date: 8 Jan 1883
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1972
Age at Death: 89
Registration district: Dunstable
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 335

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 2 Jul 2012 19:04

Which one has a connection to YOU....Is it Harry the sweep?

Gwyn

JannieAnnie

JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 19:05

My theory is that 'Harry Breed' is an alias for my great grandfather - who was an Excavator (digging deep holes and shoring them up with timbers according to my dad) - it is the year 1876 that makes me think it is him - that and the fact that the other Boarder - William Donnelly - was a witness at his marriage in December 1901. His place of residence at the time of marriage was 15 Ashdown Street!

JannieAnnie

JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 19:09

Gwyn

No, not the sweep - I am going with the Excavator - who I know was not called Harry but was definitely born in 1876!

ADDED:

I mean my great grandfather was not called Harry, but was a labourer/excavator and was born in 1876.

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 2 Jul 2012 19:18

Gosh.... I thought I had problems, ...Lol.

Just to clarify then......

Harry BREED ( perhaps not his real name ) was your father's grandfather and was married in 1901, - address 15 Ashdown Street ...and one of the witness names being William Donnelly, possibly a fellow boarder in 1901 census.

Was great grandfather shown as an excavator on his marriage cert. and or on his childrens birth certificates?

Gwyn

K

K Report 2 Jul 2012 19:21

What name did he marry in, and did he list a father etc and have you found him in 1911?

Kay

JannieAnnie

JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 19:22

Mrs Bucket but §till Lòóking for Bouquet®™?

Have searched for 'Breed' on FMP - brings up Breeds, Breeden etc Henrys, just used initial 'H' all sorts of combinations. I have been working on him since beginning of this year - still cannot get one that I think is definitely the 'Harry' in 1901 - so by a process of elimination - I am convinced that really it is an alias.

JannieAnnie

JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 19:29


Oh yes, I have found him in 1911 - He married Maud Hill (Boarding at her mother's house), in December 1901 - he used William Ambrose born in Hertfordshire (not too far from Biggleswade), occupation usually shown on Census and his marriage as a Labourer and his first daughter's birth (my paternal grandmother) as a General Labourer living in Old Ford, East London in 1911.

JannieAnnie

JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 19:33

Hello Jill

Is that a Henry/Harry born in 1876?

regards

Janet

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 2 Jul 2012 19:39

So you know Maud was your great grandmother?

Name: Maud Hill
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Spouse Name: William Ambrose
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1901
Parish: Haverstock Hill St Andrew
Borough: Camden
Father Name: James Hill
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Ambrose
Register Type: Parish Register

JannieAnnie

JannieAnnie Report 2 Jul 2012 19:44

Yes, I have had their Marriage Cert since 2006 - but have left them alone until now (time on my hands) and G grandfather has led me a merry chase - I knew there was something when he signed his name on his Marriage Certificate but by the time my grandmother was born he had apparently 'forgotten' how to sign

K

K Report 2 Jul 2012 19:48

So this could be him im 1891?

Name: William Ambrose
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Ambrose
Mother's name: Eliza Ambrose
Gender: Male
Where born: Baldock, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Baldock
Ecclesiastical parish: Baldock
Town: Baldock
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Hitchin
Sub-registration district: Baldock
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1105
Folio: 44
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ambrose 40
Eliza Ambrose 57
William Ambrose 15
Lilly Ambrose 12
Elizabeth Ambrose 11