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I AM PULLING UP THIS THREAD AGAIN Please go to end of Page 2 - Looking for the DEATH of an AMBROSE (child) born and died BETWEEN 1901? and the 1911 Census please

EDIT: Not interested in Harry at the moment

Who is Harry - this is my dilemma. I think he is a made up person!

Harry Breed appears in the 1901 Census, he is shown as single , aged 25 born in 1876 in Shefford, Bedfordshire.

There is a birth in Huntingdonshire in 1874, a marriage in 1903 (Ampthill) and other Harry births in 1881 or 1883 in Shefford (other GR Members' Trees) plus some deaths, but...........

I cannot (yet) locate a convincing corresponding birth for him - the years and places are always out - which is why I think he may be a made up person!

Thought I would see if anyone has more success or suggestions?

1891
Harry Breed
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Eli Breed
Mother's name: Ann Breed
Gender: Male
Where born: Shefford, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Shefford Hardwick
Ecclesiastical parish: Formerly Extra Parochial
Town: Shefford Hardwick
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1257
Folio: 33
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Eli Breed 35
Ann Breed 39
Alfred Breed 15
Frederick Breed 13
William Breed 12
Harry Breed 10
Lily Breed 7
John Breed 4
Joseph Breed 2
Ann Breed 1


Have you looked for Harold? Henry?

How did you arrive at Harry?
have you got a marriage certificate for name of Father?
Thanks

Added:
1911 (corresponding to the Ampthill marriage)
BREED, Harry Head Married M 29 1882 Sweep Shefford Beds
BREED, Annie Wife Married7 years F 31 1880 Clophill Beds
BREED, Albert Son M 9 1902 Maulden Beds
BREED, Mary Daughter F 1 1910 Shefford Beds

RG number: RG14 Piece: 8930 Reference: RG14PN8930 RG78PN471 RD176 SD2 ED5 SN229

Registration District: Ampthill Sub District: Ampthill Enumeration District: 5
Parish: Maulden Address: Water End Maulden Ampthill County: Bedfordshire

The image is unclear he is Harry Breed transcribed on FMP and Harry Bread on Ancestry. the image looks more like Bread .
1901 census transcription details for: 15, Private House, Ashdown Street, St Pancras

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 154
Folio: 112
Page: 46
Reg. District: St Pancras
Sub District: Kentish Town
Parish: St Pancras
Enum. District: 11
Ecclesiastical District: St Andrew
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 15, Private House, Ashdown Street, St Pancras
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HILL, Isabella Head Widow F 44 1857
Stepney, London
HILL, Walter Son Single M 19 1882 Waiter Coffee Shop
Islington, London
HILL, Alfred Son Single M 17 1884 Raily Porter
Islington, London
HILL, Anne Daughter Single F 23 1878 Laundress
Islington, London
HILL, James Son Single M 12 1889
Islington, London
BREED, Harry Boarder Single M 25 1876 Excavator
Shefford, Bedfordshire
DONELLY, William Boarder Single M 41 1860 Miner
Manchester, Lancashire


1901 England Census about Harry Bread
Name: Harry Bread
[User-submitted-comment] lodger not BIL
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Shefford, Bedfordshire, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 303
Piece: 154
Folio: 112
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabella Hill 44
Walter Hill 19
Alfred Hill 19
Anne Hill 23
James Hill 12
Harry Bread 25 >>
William Donelly 45

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 154; Folio: 112; Page: 46.
Source Information:

Can you link yourself to the Harry in 1901?

Can't quite make out his occupation.... Some sort of excavator ?

Gwyn

The 1874 birth is no good:
Births Mar 1874
BREED Harry St. Ives 3b 295
Deaths Jun 1874
BREED Harry 0 St Ives 3b 176

Located him through 1901 Census record at 15 Ashdown Street - I have tried connecting him back to 1911 Census - but it does not make sense that Harry born in Shefford, married in Ampthill with a son born in 1902 was in Islington in 1901 and giving the wrong year of birth

RG14PN8930 RG78PN471 RD176 SD2 ED5 SN229
Reg. District: Ampthill
Sub District: Ampthill
Parish: Maulden
Enum. District: 5
Address: Water End Maulden Ampthill
County: Bedfordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BREED, Harry Head Married M 29 1882 Sweep Shefford Beds
BREED, Annie Wife Married
7 years F 31 1880 Clophill Beds
BREED, Albert Son M 9 1902 Maulden Beds
BREED, Mary Daughter F 1 1910 Shefford Beds

Marriage
Harry Breed
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Registration district: Ampthill
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 823
Spouse...Sarah Ann B. Odell

Ampthill and Shefford are close together.
8 miles apart.

?
Births Mar 1883
Breed Harry Biggleswade 3b 381
(Biggleswade is Shefford)
?
Harry Breed
Birth Date: 8 Jan 1883
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1972
Age at Death: 89
Registration district: Dunstable
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 335

Which one has a connection to YOU....Is it Harry the sweep?

Gwyn

My theory is that 'Harry Breed' is an alias for my great grandfather - who was an Excavator (digging deep holes and shoring them up with timbers according to my dad) - it is the year 1876 that makes me think it is him - that and the fact that the other Boarder - William Donnelly - was a witness at his marriage in December 1901. His place of residence at the time of marriage was 15 Ashdown Street!

Gwyn

No, not the sweep - I am going with the Excavator - who I know was not called Harry but was definitely born in 1876!

ADDED:

I mean my great grandfather was not called Harry, but was a labourer/excavator and was born in 1876.

Gosh.... I thought I had problems, ...Lol.

Just to clarify then......

Harry BREED ( perhaps not his real name ) was your father's grandfather and was married in 1901, - address 15 Ashdown Street ...and one of the witness names being William Donnelly, possibly a fellow boarder in 1901 census.

Was great grandfather shown as an excavator on his marriage cert. and or on his childrens birth certificates?

Gwyn

What name did he marry in, and did he list a father etc and have you found him in 1911?

Kay

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Have searched for 'Breed' on FMP - brings up Breeds, Breeden etc Henrys, just used initial 'H' all sorts of combinations. I have been working on him since beginning of this year - still cannot get one that I think is definitely the 'Harry' in 1901 - so by a process of elimination - I am convinced that really it is an alias.

Oh yes, I have found him in 1911 - He married Maud Hill (Boarding at her mother's house), in December 1901 - he used William Ambrose born in Hertfordshire (not too far from Biggleswade), occupation usually shown on Census and his marriage as a Labourer and his first daughter's birth (my paternal grandmother) as a General Labourer living in Old Ford, East London in 1911.

Hello Jill

Is that a Henry/Harry born in 1876?

regards

Janet

So you know Maud was your great grandmother?

Name: Maud Hill
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Spouse Name: William Ambrose
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1901
Parish: Haverstock Hill St Andrew
Borough: Camden
Father Name: James Hill
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Ambrose
Register Type: Parish Register

Yes, I have had their Marriage Cert since 2006 - but have left them alone until now (time on my hands) and G grandfather has led me a merry chase - I knew there was something when he signed his name on his Marriage Certificate but by the time my grandmother was born he had apparently 'forgotten' how to sign

So this could be him im 1891?

Name: William Ambrose
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Ambrose
Mother's name: Eliza Ambrose
Gender: Male
Where born: Baldock, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Baldock
Ecclesiastical parish: Baldock
Town: Baldock
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Hitchin
Sub-registration district: Baldock
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1105
Folio: 44
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Ambrose 40
Eliza Ambrose 57
William Ambrose 15
Lilly Ambrose 12
Elizabeth Ambrose 11