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PinkDiana

PinkDiana Report 20 Jun 2008 12:37

Kathryn this so made me giggle...... as I had visions of someone positioningmy arms and legs once I'm sat down!! Or someone shouting at me saying will you walk differently please as I go through a door!!

:o)

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 20 Jun 2008 15:16

Well Pink, you *know* you must sit with your feet tight together, and walk as if you have a book on your head! Ladylike is as ladylike does. ;)

Or sigh, don't they teach girls how to be ladies anymore ... I hope ...

tee

tee Report 20 Jun 2008 15:39

i feel for all the familys who has lost family friends ect. but i think the media should make a big thing out of people deaths if its a man or woman they are human beings with familys and mr brown should bring them all home weve lost enough. women who join the army no what there getting into when joining the armed forces im sure they would not like to be treated any different from the men. i used to be a bouncer on the doors in manchester and i was once told if your going to do a mans job expect to be treated the same as a man would, that sounds really bad but its also very true, im sure her family and friends looked on her as a soldier as well as a woman. if your going to do a job it dont matter if your male or female you choose that job. i also dont feel that just woman are brave joining the armed forces i feel any one who joins the armed forces are brave. may god watch and protect the remaining aremed forces left out there and r. i. p. to all who has lost there lives. thoughts and love to all there familys. god bless.x

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 20 Jun 2008 16:03

just have to call me old fashioned then - must be an age thing, but my son was taught to stand up for a lady on a bus or on a train and to hold doors open, particularly for the elderly and mothers with children in prams and pushchairs - I do the same myself and would stand up and give my seat on a bus to an older person or mother and child - it's common courtesy and Im no youngster - have done my three score years and ten and a few extra, but thankfully I'm in good health

Mrs.  Blue Eyes

Mrs. Blue Eyes Report 20 Jun 2008 16:26

I and OH would would hold doors open for anyone and stand for someone less able,, it's not chivalry or telling someone when to sit or walk through a door,it's called MANNERS

Deanna

Deanna Report 20 Jun 2008 16:36

Sparrow I have heard this from an officer in the army... the fact that they feel a certain responsibility to their female comrades shows that woman do not have equality... they have priority.

I am heart sick for those poor people who have lost their children... men or women.
AND am so very grateful that mine came home safe and sound.
I know that I would not be strong enough to take the loss.
Bless them all.

Deanna X

Saints Alive

Saints Alive Report 20 Jun 2008 17:05

Having served as a SNCO in the Army and having both female and male soldiers under my command I would just like to make a couple of comments without prejudice.

I served in a Tank Regt for 23 years , Tanks are cold metal beasts with no heating etc , they are killing machines , when on exercise traning for war you can be closed down ( locked in ) for days , you eat , go to the toilet in plastic bags , wash you do everything all in a tight cramped confined space , you try and sleep whenever , my point being if you had one female member in that crew and it was the " wrong time of the month " not being funny but what about mood swings , how do the crew react to her having to sort herself out , and all this is going on whilst you are on active duty , or the other scenerio is a female and male crew member who are involved with each other and cant keep there minds on the there duties inside the tank but are thinking about each other all the time.
Next comment to follow :-))))

Twizzle

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 20 Jun 2008 17:13

I didn't mean to derail the discussion by what may seem frivolous comments above.

I'm also not interested in a lecture on manners. I hold doors for anyone in my path. And I very politely say YOU'RE WELCOME, regardless of whether they thank me.

"Chivalry", on the other hand, is a straightjacket placed on women to control our behaviour. It's obvious from the word itself where it comes from -- an olden day when French held sway in England, and when the upper classes decided that certain strict codes of conduct needed to be followed in their own interests.

Did "chivalry" do anything for my women ancestors, toiling in fields and factories and homes? I don't think so. I don't think the men busy holding doors and chairs for their ladies gave a thought for the women scrubbing their floors and rearing their children and sewing their shirts. "Chivalry" is phony. It has never gained women anything. Women have what we have now because other women fought for it, not because men held the door open.

And for such phony notions to be used to keep women today from pursuing their own goals, whether that be to serve in their country's military (regardless of what my own opinion about the military's current activities may be) or any other great or small thing a woman wants to do, is just rude. It is no manners at all to try to control other people's lives.

Deanna

Deanna Report 20 Jun 2008 17:16

MOOD SWINGS???

Are they exclusively a female characteristic??
I think not.
I have had a father, uncles, husbands (2)
sons (2)... and was brought up with the army, my father being a soldier of many many years.

Mood swings.... you males could give us lessons. ;-0)

Deanna X

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 20 Jun 2008 17:17

Saints Alive: "without prejudice"?

How could you possibly be more prejudiced than you obviously are?

Perhaps you've heard of modern medicine, and things like the contraceptive pill, and how "that time of the month" (aren't you just quaint) can be whenever one chooses these days.

As for "mood swings" ... well, maybe you've also heard of testosterone. I guess you've never wondered whether we'd have all these wars were it not for that stuff ...

And as for male and female crew members being involved with each other, well, I guess you've never heard of homosexuality, either.

Me, I suspect you've heard of quite a few things, you just have a reason for covering your ears and going wah-wah. From reading your posts over time, I have no doubt as to what it is.

Dermot

Dermot Report 20 Jun 2008 17:22

There is drama in the details of war & strife, but there is a dreary eternity in their causes & results. Victories & defeats cancel one another into a resounding zero.

Saints Alive

Saints Alive Report 20 Jun 2008 17:24

The female soldiers I had in my troop were quite good , I would say 20% were lesbians which caused a small problem with inhouse cat fighting ;-)) but they worked well and did what was expected of them , as far as I can see there our certain frontline tasks that I dont think female soldiers should take on , but if they feel they can do the job as good as anybody else then go for it .

And last but not least RIP all those that have fallen whilst serving in the Armed Forces

From the mud through the blood to the green green fields beyond

Fear Naught

Twizzle

Saints Alive

Saints Alive Report 20 Jun 2008 17:32

KB in Canada , I knew you would post , whats up your being nice today :-))) oh yeah of course your sat around your cauldron taking your I am holier than thou potions , well thank you for your lovely comment

Saints Alive

Saints Alive Report 20 Jun 2008 17:33

Glad to hear it Maz

Twizz

Cumbrian Caz~**~

Cumbrian Caz~**~ Report 20 Jun 2008 17:44

I agree with you Twiz, when my OH was abroad, the woman who was sent to help him with the ECM kit to detect roadside bombs became involved with a soldier and was more preoccupied with her relationship than the job at hand.

Just my opinion, i respect everyones opinion.

The soldiers my OH worked with said they felt women could be a hinderance. please dont jump on me it is what they said.

Caz xx

Saints Alive

Saints Alive Report 20 Jun 2008 17:49

Caz , the Navy have there share of it as well , oh yeah hope all is well your end :-))))))) ,

Cumbrian Caz~**~

Cumbrian Caz~**~ Report 20 Jun 2008 17:50

Thanks Twiz, hubbies on army camp, getting colours presented by Queen next week.

I agree totally with womens equality but just not on the front line, for the reasons you have stated.

hope you are well, love,


Caz xxx

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 20 Jun 2008 17:53

Saints Alive, please don't stop posting.

Misogyny -- the hatred of women -- in all its vile and vicious colours should float freely in the atmosphere, that we may all recognize it when we see it.

Don't you have a joke you want to tell? The one about all the men lining up at the funeral of the wife and mother-in-law of the man whose pit bull killed them, so they could borrow the dog to kill their own wives and mothers-in-law -- that would fit in well, don't you think? Oh, oops, GR didn't like that one. Any more than I did, or any decent human being would. Maybe you can give us the one in which women are defined as household appliances, instead.

A woman dies serving her country. Surely a joke about men killing their wives and mothers-in-law would fit in nicely.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 20 Jun 2008 17:57

Well, Caz, you know of one woman who failed to comply with military discipline.

Accordingly, all women should have their opportunities limited. And your country should be denied the talents and skills and strengths of other women.

And you know of some men who have opinions about women in the military that undoubtedly reflect their opinions about women everywhere. (I mean, we do all know about how many women in the military are sexually abused by their "comrades", eh?)

So I guess that settles the matter.

Saints Alive

Saints Alive Report 20 Jun 2008 17:58

Hi Caz , yeah dont think I put my point across too well ;-))) well not for certain people anyway , all I will say is that none of my male soldiers got to go for a breast reduction on the NHS ;-)))

Twizz