General Chat

Which is why I said the son should look at how it would affect the child, he knows about it, it is his child, we can only think that he knows it is no risk to his child.

I just feel that it's their business. If the child showed signs of being neglected, or seemed to be in any danger, then one would have a duty to inform the authorities. Otherwise, disapprove in private.

As I don't know the full story or the people involved, I feel I cannot sit in judgement. I have a friend who is very partial to a drink, and when her first grandchild was born, her daughter told my friend, in no uncertain terms, that if she wanted to be part of the child's life, she was not allowed to drink whilst baby sitting. My friend agreed to this, and now baby sits very happily, about three days a week, no booze. BUT on her free days she drinks as much as she likes!

Now, personally, I would be offended if my son had laid down the law like this, but I have always waited until my grandchildren were asleep before I opened the wine.

this is wrong to me, 1 joint may well effect her badly unless she is a regular smoker,

no person should have drugs around a child end of, regardless of how they feel,

its disgusting, what if that child is breathing in the smoke of said joint? or grows up thinking drugs are ok, there not there illegal!!! and there illegal for a reason!


it cant be compared to drink as were talking about drugs, the odd glass of wine is ok, because its not illegal, obviously moderation, i dont condone anyone getting drunk infront of children, thats wrong too,

well said Stray :-D :-D

The odd glass of wine is okay - not much different to a small joint if you're used to it. I don't think even Scozz said she was going to get ratarsed.

Prescription drugs aren't illegal, but can have drastic effects on a person - both in thought & deed!!!

I have mixed feelings on all what has been said here, I don´t believe that a regular smoker would be too impaired to look after a child, nor do I think that a glass of wine is so wrong. The legalities of either isn´t the outrage it´s the affect on the child and the ability to look after said child.
If the smoke was being taken with the child in the room same as if a little of the wine was being put in the childs bottle then that is so very wrong,
To me the outrage is Gran needed a joint before looking after Grandchild, She should have just said NO I can´t do it.
Mind after saying that I don´t think that anybody who agrees to look after somebody else´s child should give anything but their best and even 1 joint or 1 glass of wine isn´t their best.

As for the child having no chance well that depends on the child there are lots of cases where children of druggies or alchololics do not touch it themselves. Yes it will mind damage in some ways but then there is a lot more hurdles in growing up than that. Scozz I understand what you are saying also.

*Don´t shoot me because I am high up on the fence* (where the comments are coming from)

thats why some prescribed drugs have warning on them not to drink, drive or ue machinary, while taking them, and i trust someone who does take them and has an effect wouldnt look after children,

but were not talking drink, prescribed drugs, were talking illegal drugs

regardless of wether she was, ok, stoned, or not it doesnt change the fact she was smoking illegal drugs, whilst taking responsibilty for a 2 year old child, and that in its self is disgusting! and im my opinion, wrong, you can dress it up as you like its not right, and im actually quiet shocked people think it is when she was in charge of a small child,

Stray I agree it was very wrong if she smoked in front of the child when it´s illegal. Also if she had the dope on her whilst looking after the child. BUT it is not illegal to be stoned. It is only illegal to possess the drug. There are many legal highs which I believe are far more harmful that a joint-

I do agree with you that it is disgusting to put a child at risk.

yeah i know what your your saying hun,

to me children are just so precious why put them at risk, but i know some people just dont think like that, and its a shame, if i left my son in the charge of someone who smoked a joint, well lets just say, it would hit the fan, bit time!

I totally agree with you Stray !!

Depression and other medical problems can be hard, so hard that you cannot think for yourself or act in a normal way but have to say when drugs no matter what they are around children is intollerable... :-|

Stray, I fully agree with you and if I had been a parent I would object, as it is my mutts are my children and I wouldn´t leave epi with somebody who was stoned or would drink too much etc because they couldn´t react quick enough to a fit. But then I leave her with very few people.
My main beef would be with the Granny who felt she needed to have a joint to be able to look after her grandchild. That to me is so sad, and her son supplies her dope to be able to look after his child beggers believe.

if anyone says they need a drink, or a joint to look after a child, they obviously shouldn't be looking after any child, and if a grandmother can't look after her 2 year old Grandchild without a drug, I'd say the Grandmother needs looking after.

for the son to suply her is disguting to

every child deserves the best childhood possible
this child is been sold short by her family
her granny should be ashamed :-(

its not legel so dont do it :-(

If this person was a proper respectful loving son he would talk to his Mum, hold her, comfort her with love and support her and make sure the child was safe and in a safe enviroment not give her drugs !! makes me so angry :-|

The laws in Australia on drugs is the same as in UK....infact they have much stiffer sentances from what I've seen.

I wonder if a nursery nurse,child minder was found to have smoked an illegal substance whlle in charge of a child would still be employed. or if a child minding place allowed its carers to smoke dope or have a drink still be allowed to remain open .

The responsibilty is the same for a relative or otherwise.

I didn't mean to sound like I was judging the woman.

She is a regular user, and I suppose she knows her own limit.

But I WAS shocked!

Scozz~~~~~

When I wrote

"I do not know this woman, her son or her circumstances so do not want to make any judgement of her, Scozz does and is entitled to her own opinions."

I did not mean it to read that you were being judgmental but that you know the woman.

I hope it wasn't taken the wrong way, I can see how it might be
:-(

I think Scozz's comments are based on her knowledge of this woman and what this woman told her.

We never drink when we are babysitting because we are always aware that one of us may have to drive one of the children to hospital should there be an accident or illness. One of my grandsons gets croup and it can come on very suddenly so that is the rule in my daughter's home - if they have a drink in the evening one of them is very careful about how much they drink.

It is everyone's business as to whether a child is being abused or neglected. That is why so much goes on that we don't know about. People minding their own business while such dreadful things go on behind closed doors. We should all be vigilant and realise that young children are defenceless.

I personally think that if a person needs something (be it drink or drugs) to help her look after a child then she should be looking at herself and her own capabilities.