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birth certificate( new info 3-4-14)

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jansmith Report 30 Mar 2010 14:20

death index
William Leicester
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 54
District: Oldham
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 504


martynsue Report 30 Mar 2010 19:01

hi jan &ann sorry i have not replied for a while i have been trying every combination i could think of in the records mary changed ellen to nellie well my last shot 1908 jul-aug-sept elizabeth ellen leicester got married in oldham could she have changed her name what do you think all marys or mary ellen from 1901-1911 got married in warrington


lancashireAnn Report 30 Mar 2010 20:31

actually Martyn I think I have lost the plot here. I need to reread it all to sort my head out. Can't even remember how the Leicester family fit in with the original Jones query.


martynsue Report 30 Mar 2010 20:38

hi ann ellen leicester daughter of mary leicester turned out to have the life of nellie jones which turned up when nellies marriage to william glover all the children mothers mn leicester she was down as ellen leicester does that refresh your mind


lancashireAnn Report 30 Mar 2010 22:31

thanks martyn - still a little confused but am going back oevr therest of the thread to see if I have missed anything

did you know there were TWO Norman Jones who married in Oldham in 1935 and both married an Annie

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1935
JONES Norman P LOCKHART Annie Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended
JONES Norman MEADOWCROFT Annie Oldham, St. James Oldham

the Annie Lockhart one is possibly RC (registrar attended)
the Annie Meadowcroft one is Cof E

so there were at least 2 Norman Jones knocking around Oldham


martynsue Report 30 Mar 2010 23:11

annie lockhart was my grandmother they married at register office and the family would not have anything to do with them for quite a time he was catholic and she was protestant my mum says she can remember the priest knocking on the door and saying they were living in sin & there marriage was not legal in the eyes of the lord


lancashireAnn Report 31 Mar 2010 13:23

Hi Flick

I have been working on this one for a while now but did not realise there were others. I have not done much board trawling recently.

It might be useful if you could give me the other thread numbers in case there is anything there which would help make more sense of this lot please.


martynsue Report 31 Mar 2010 16:33

hi ann just a word to say thanks for all your work i made the mistake of not removing old threads and i have offended some people i will be removing all my threads today and i will send you &jan a personal message when i have sorted john jones out till then i will say bye regards martyn


martynsue Report 31 Mar 2010 17:14

flick as i said before you never gave me a chance to say thank you you just took offence before i could type and send one then went on to have a go on other peoples threads there is nothing i can do about that now so i hope we have both made our points of views clear and that be the end of it regards martyn


jansmith Report 31 Mar 2010 21:33

please leave this thread Martyn as it has such a lot of info on it with still some to sort out we all make mistakes and i have repeated work that has been on other threads somtimes because people forget old threads.


lancashireAnn Report 31 Mar 2010 23:17

I agree with Jan. I have got too curious about this family now for you to delete it.


Jooleh Report 1 Apr 2010 00:14

Me too.............................I haven't posted much but I've been doing lots of looking around for this complex family!



martynsue Report 1 Apr 2010 09:36

hi jan ,ann ,& jooleh will leave this one open &still try to find the elusive john& family


jansmith Report 1 Apr 2010 10:01

thanks Martyn.
Are you going to get grandad's marriage cert to see what it says about his father?


lancashireAnn Report 1 Apr 2010 12:45

Does this ring any bells

Rose Ann Jones married Samuel Hill 8 May 1936 in Oldham
one of witnesses Arthur JOnes + Mary (Maria) Cheetham & Pa(?) Wright or

EDIT - year should be 1933 Mary is Mary Eliz Cheetham & PAK Wright was the priest.When someone has done a translation from the original it is easier to make out what it actually says. & as I found PAK Wright on many entries it seems reasonable to assume he officiated.


martynsue Report 1 Apr 2010 12:46

yes i will sort it after the weekend sorry for the delay my computer keeps loosing conection


martynsue Report 1 Apr 2010 12:54

hi ann this looks like it could be normans sister rose with arthur as a witness well done this may lead us ever nearer to john will start looking through records thanks for info will let you know what i find


jansmith Report 1 Apr 2010 13:08

so looking back to page 3 of thread 20th march there is info on a Rose Ann born 1909
then i have found this ?possible death (will check which quarter birth was registered in)***its in Dec quarter!!!
Name: Rose Ann Hill
Birth Date: 28 Oct 1909
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1987
Age at death (estimated): 77
Registration district: Bolton
Inferred County: Lancashire, Lincolnshire
Volume: 38
Page: 210


martynsue Report 1 Apr 2010 13:16

hi jan thanks for that i have looked on gr marriages for 1936 cannot see rose&samuel


lancashireAnn Report 1 Apr 2010 13:21

that marriage info was written in the margin of the baptism record on 27-12-1909 dob 28-10-1909 parents John (Joannis) & Mary (Maria) formerly Leicester