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WayneTracey Report 24 Oct 2007 19:52

If she was right and he was in service, maybe his wife here isn't her mother?

I know we're clutching at straws, but she was maybe the product of a daliance abroad?


Dionne Report 24 Oct 2007 20:02

Hi again.

That is exactly what I was thinking all along. Her sister was born a year after her.
I was thinking they both made their way back over to must have been at an early age because not forgetting we have a child from Dorothea and she was only 19 when the child was born. I am still waiting for this certificate to arrive.
But it still doesnt explain why I cant find any information on Dorotheas father.Umm!


Von Report 24 Oct 2007 20:46

You should be able to find where the regiment were at a particular time.
He would have gone to South Africa in the Boer War but that ended in 1902 I believe but of course the regiment may not have come home right away.
If you can't find anything online it may mean a trip to Kew.


Dionne Report 24 Oct 2007 22:09

Thankyou Von.

I have ordered the marriage certificate of Dorotheas sister Edith Constance.i want to what she put down as her father and occupation.It seemed Dorothea told so many 'stories' that it is hard to tell fact from fiction at the moment..


bob Report 24 Oct 2007 22:13

Cant wait to see the ending, its better than a good book,.,Bob,.


Dionne Report 26 Oct 2007 21:16


I joined a site Ancestry24. It is a South Africa site and you have to subscibe.You can check parish records,wills, burials,military,schooling to name but a few.
I typed in Dorothea Livermore,Edwin William Livermore,Edith Constance Livermore.

There was absolutely no record of any of them anywhere..I cant wait to get Edith Constance's marriage certificagte to see hwat information she put down for her father...So the plot still thickens.

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 27 Oct 2007 21:25

Have you ordered any birth certs for Constance and Dorothea? I think Brenda found one in 1909 for Dorothea and also a possible Edith Constance in 1910 West Ham?

This must be getting expensive now!



Dionne Report 28 Oct 2007 08:17

Hi Selena.

I have ordered the marriage certificate for Edith Constance to see what details she put down for her father.If her certificate doent match up with Dorotheas then I will be ordering the birth certificates that Brenda found.The certificate should be here this week.
It could be getting quite expensive but the family are also chipping in as I am also working on my mothers family tree.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 28 Oct 2007 08:49


Don't think it was me that found birth certificates for Dorothea and Constance. I couldn't find any and asked if perhaps Dorothea was born in SA.

Could Shipton of been in the Irish Guards? Its just that I was looking up Grenadier Guards and stumbled across the name Charlie Shipton but in Irish Guards.This one was married but now deceased.There were a couple of photographs of him. Probably a most stupid
questiion and just grabbing at very flimsy straws!



WayneTracey Report 28 Oct 2007 08:50


I do hope your mothers tree is going a little more conventionally than this one !!!


Dionne Report 28 Oct 2007 10:23

Hi All

I really dont think that Shipton was in the Irish Guards. My father can remember him working for Kodak in London and he always use to come back home with black hands.

Wayne my mothers tree has come on great and it is nearly finished.Alot easier to

My mother and I have also managed to find the schools that my father went to as a child on friends reunited.. There are even photos on the site and we are sure to have found two of my father as a young boy. So many memories have come flooding back to my father and we are in the process of contacting some of the boys that were at the school around the same time of my father.

I cant wait for Dorotheas sisters marriage certificate to turn up just so that I can see the fathers name and occupation. Will keep you posted.



Dionne Report 28 Oct 2007 12:57

Herberts brother:

Births Sep 1884
Sloper Henry Thomas Croydon 2a 280

SLOPER Henry Thomas Camberwell 1d 800
WILLIS Annie Maude Camberwell 1d 800

Births Dec 1911
Sloper Leslie T mmn Willis Camberwell 1d 1474

Leslie T Sloper.... Peggy J Holding
1st qtr 1939
vol 1d page 750

Pamela Sloper mmn Holding
2nd qtr 1943
vol 3a page 2379

Wendy M Sloper mmn Holding
1st qtr 1946
vol 1d page 632

Wendy M Sloper.......Brian W Hoy
1st qtr 1969
vol 5D page 369

Death of Herbert & Henry's mother ?

Katherine Sloper age 97 (born 1855)
1st qtr 1952
vol 5c page 242

Hi All

I was thinking of going down the other route of Herberts brother Henry to see if I can find out any information on Herbert.
I have reposted the information that brenda so kindly found for me. I have put these names into the search for trees at genes and there is a one possible tree match.I have emailed the owner and wait a reply.
I am trying to find any information on Pamela Sloper born 1943 and Wendy born 1946. A contact address would be brillient as I would like to write to her.They would both share a great grandfather along with my father. I know it is a long shot but they just might have some information on Herbert that I could give to my father.

Many thanks


Dionne Report 28 Oct 2007 13:17

I forgot to say the the tree owners name is Joanne.


Whisky Soda

Whisky Soda Report 30 Oct 2007 13:55

Giving this a little bump up so I dont lose it.


Dionne Report 30 Oct 2007 13:59


I have sent Joanne a letter in the hope that she might contact me.I am also hoping that some certificates turn up this week.
I also remeber that Herbert and Henry had a siser called Katherine. Apart from her birth and also being on the cencus with her brothers and parents, I have not been able to find any more information on her.I am still looking.


Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 30 Oct 2007 15:06

Is this the birth you found for Herbert's sister?

Births Dec 1882
Sloper Catherine Maud Greenwich 1d 1006

Only this marriage in Wales - so not sure (didn't Herbert go to Newport?)

Marriages Jun 1911

Sloper Catherine Pontypridd 11a 1002

I remember now, I found a birth for Constance 1910 and a Dorothy (not Dorothea) in 1908.

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 30 Oct 2007 15:29

Just trying to keep up to date with this. Dionne, your head must be spinning!

Did you ever order this certificate?

Dorothea M Livermore mmn Livermore
2nd qtr 1928
gro ref: vol 3a pae 1018

Also who did Edwin Livermore marry?




Dionne Report 30 Oct 2007 15:58

Hi Selena

Oh yes my head is spinning,lol
It seems one minute I get very close to solveing things and then I end up miles away again,lol.

i have ordered the certificate you have asked about along with quite a few others.I am hoping they turn up this week.

Edwin Livermore is an even bigger mystery.I have his birth and that is it.I dont have a clue as to who he married. There is a possible marriage that a member found and he would have been 17 at the date of marriage.But I really dont think that it is his. I have searched 24ancestry a South African site and I am unable to find anything on him there with the help of other members. I ordered Constance marriage certificate to see if her fathers details are the same as Dorotheas.I am still waiting for this to arrive.

Yes Herbert did move to newport in Wales.

I think you are up to date

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 30 Oct 2007 18:00

Births 4th qtr 1891
SLOPER Katherine Mary Dartford 2a 444

SLOPER Katherine M ..... Weeks Lambeth.1d 873 4 1920
WEEKS Frank W........ Sloper Lambeth.1d 873 4 1920

possible birth for Frank W Weeks:
Births 1st qtr 1889
Weeks Frank William Lambeth 1d 369

Frank William Weeks born Nov 1889 ?(could be Nov 1888 perhaps)
3rd qtr 1970
vol 5a page 738

Katherine M Weeks age 58
4th qtr 1949
vol 5b page 139



Dionne Report 30 Oct 2007 18:47

Hi Brenda

Thanyou for the information.I dont think this can be the correct Katherine.

Her mothers name was Katherine Philips c1858
Father Henry Sloper 1858

On the 1901 cencus it shows Katherine as being born in Erith Kent.

Many thanks