Genealogy Chat

After seeing Janet's post above I checked on my mother's record which I had asked to be opened (I forwarded her death certificate) and it is opened on the image but not yet on the transcript so doing a search doesn't show a result.

I didn't get an email from them either, so perhaps they aren't going to bother confirming.

Kath. x

In answer to the getting records unlocked question, this morning my dad's record is there so they have unlocked it on the basis of the death cert and info I gave them but had no email (yet) to confirm maybe I won't get one

Jan

Well - they still haven't sorted out a box to enter the discount code. Correspondence is on-going!

The following threads may have potentially useful information about the 1939 Register, though most points are covered in the thread.

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Review of 1939 English and Welsh register release
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1356095

Another 1939 Register question
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1356006

1939 Register discount codes
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1356016

1939 Register
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1355880

1939 register
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1356041

1939 register on fmp
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1356002

1939 register
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1355878

I suppose that if they allowed a proper search by DoB, you could find out anyone's DoB by searching 365 or 366 times. So that would be a potential loss of revenue.

Slight change of subject - not about closed records:

Entering someone's exact date of birth in the Advanced Search form seems a waste of time, to some extent.

I searched for my lost Edith by first name (as I don't know if she married or not) and exact DOB - 14/02/1886.
Two pages of names came up.

However, having tracked down the deaths of some of those people, it appears that although they were born in February 1886, they were not all born on the 14th.

So although the maiden name of one of them is that of my Edith, I'll still have to buy the marriage cert in order to find if she is the right person or not.

The online death record of the Edith on the 1939 register is no help, as it was before 1969, so the exact DOB isn't shown online. Frustratingly, she died in the last quarter of 1968!
So near and yet so far.

If you apply to have a closed record opened and they decide that it CAN be opened then there is no cost if you are a Findmypast subscriber (although they reserve the right to limit the number of closed records you can ask to have opened).

If you are not a subscriber then you have to apply through the National Archives and there IS a cost for this.

Kath. x

Lesley and others, this has probably been mentioned but ...

If you know the name of one person at an address, try this.

Put no name in the blanks for the person you are searching for.

Put in the borough/district if you know it, and the street name if you know it.

In the blanks for the name of another person living at the address, put the name of the person you know to be in the household. Do the search.

The results will give you the name of the person whose name you entered, plus the name and dob of any other people in the household (whose records are not officially closed).

If you are searching for a very common name, this may not work. But then you will have the piece and item numbers from the person you know is yours, so you can narrow it down (see Rambling Rose's answer to my question at 6 Nov 2015 16:33 just above)

Lesley -

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/contact/
(they are closed to visitors on Monday)

If you do manage to get a definitive reply, perhaps you could let everyone else know?

I bought some credits and found a person whose address I knew but was looking for another person who was living there at some time only to find the named individual was a servant not the person I wanted, rather a waste of money.

On reading news from the National Archives I can search the 1939 Register there I am not sure if it will be free of charge similar to when the 1911 Census was issued, in which case I will make the journey there for a long day of searching.

In the URL there is a sequence like
:
/record/locked?id=tna%nllnn%nl1234%nl1234a%l567%

l and n represent letter and digit but the 1234a and 567 are the piece and item numbers.

Just insert those in the advanced search.

EDITED as I had letter and digit the wrong way round and in order to clarify..

It seems you can work out the TNA number from the URL of the preview page.

Can't c&p on this device, but yes, you're right.

There were 2 options to Open a Closed record.
One was for FMP subscribers, the other via the National Archives for non-subscribers.

Added - no mention of any fee on the subscribers link.

Det

I do have a lapsed account and am signed in when searching the 1939

I see that when you are on 'preview' there seems to be a link next to the closed record 'Check if you can open a closed record'

I am unable to click on this link so think that it is for sub members

Gins - Have you thought of taking out a free trial on FMP? Do you, perhaps, have a lapsed account you can access the Register through?

I wonder if it's because I don't sub to FMP and would have to go through the NA?

I did a search today on the register and when I clicked on the preview, it gave me the name I had searched for but also another name in the house

Maybe that ties in with what Rosie posted

KathleenBell has said on another thread that she has applied to have her mothers entry opened. No mention on there that there was a cost involved.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1356002

Wasn't the original fee via the NHS £40 or was that for something else?

Re the RG number, this post on FB in response to a query

Findmypast ..... We're carrying out work on that section of the search and it'll be back as soon as possible. Thanks

Am I understanding this correctly. To open a closed record, you have to pay £25?


NA
You can search online for electronic images of open records through our partner website, Findmypast.

If you are a Findmypast subscriber, please submit your request via their website.

If the record can be opened, we will send you a full transcription of the information held in the record. You can view the opened record at our partner website after ten working days of notification of a successful request.

We charge a non-refundable fee of £25 for a search. This fee covers the search and administration costs.

You need proof that the person is no longer living in order to submit your request to us. We can only accept a copy of an official death certificate (issued by the General Register Office or overseas equivalent) so please ensure you have this documentation before proceeding.

Freedom Of Information requests take up to 20 working days to complete.

You should still be able to get the other household names.

Make a note of the district and ref no for the individual already found
Edit & Clear the advance search form
Select the correct area
Put the known name in the 'other names in household' box.

The results ought to be in the same household and have sequential ref nos.
If they've changed that since yesterday it will be v annoying!