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Hi Susan,

I think we need to 'step back' here and see what it is you REALLY want to find??? - Otherwise, you could spend a fortune on all these certs and not get any further !!.

We now know that your grandparents were John Hogan + Gertrude Shea !

We know that John was probably born in Wigan and that he had a brother Daniel and his father was also Daniel - married to Sarah Ann (possibly Wilkinson). - also born in Wigan?? - mother Alice Wilkinson, sister Margaret Wilkinson

Daniel's + John's father was also Daniel, born in Durham around 1862 and he had a sister called Annie who married Dominic Daley. (I think she was also born in Wigan??)

I think you should list everything out like this and add them to your more recent relatives, take a look at what you have and see what it is you REALLY want to find.

Have a think and come back on here - there is a lot of info which we can link together but you need to 'get yourself sorted' first??

Dea x

Thank you Dea, i really appreciate what you and Sablon have done for me. the one thing i would really love is to find my grandfathers birth details so that i can have his birth certificate. That would make my search for the Hogan family complete. Great grandparents would be a bonus but i'm more than happy to stop at grandparents. Thinking that he was from Ireland i had resigned myself to the fact that i would never find him. Its made me feel quite emotional really. I hadn't know any family on either side and now its beginning to feel real.

I'm also going to meet my half brother in a few weeks time he's a very long way so this is probably going to be the only chance but it will be lovely to show him what has been found.

Sue

O.K. then - what you REALLY want is the birth cert for the John Hogan who married Gertrude Shea ???

Let's concentrate on that then!

Have to go and do 'the wifey cooking thing' soon so I will take a fresh look at it later ! (Good job he's been out as I have been on here ALL day !!- tee hee)!

Dea x

Oh no, so sorry Dea's other half blame it all on me!!!!!!

Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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GILDROY Hannah Durham 10a 518
Hogan Daniel Durham 10a 518
WEST John Durham 10a 518
WILKINSON Sarah Durham 10a 518

The district Durham is in the county of Co. Durham

Good morning all.

Sablon - you have what I believe is the correct marriage but I don't think any of the Liverpool births are the ones we are looking for - Lets go and have a look.........

Dea x

Probable for Annie's birth (Daniel's sister):

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1852
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HOGAN Ann Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/35/486

I have them on 1861 !!!!!

1861 England Census
about Daniel Hagan
Name: Daniel Hagan
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Daniel
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Monk Hesledon, Durham, England

Civil parish: Monk Hesledon
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:................. Castle Eden Colliery


Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 238
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Hagan 57 b Ireland Pensioner
Mary Hagan 42 b Ireland
Michael Hagan 20 b Ireland Coal miner
John Hagan 15 b Wigan Coal Miner
Mary Hagan 17 b Wigan
Ann Hagan 9 b Wigan
Thos Hagan 5 b Wigan
Daniel Hagan 1 b Durham (Monk Hesledon)



Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3751; Folio: 26; Page: 48; GSU roll: 543182.

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This then is Daniel's birth (your Great Grandfather) -

Births Dec 1859
HOGAN Daniel Easington 10a 280

Your Great Great Grandparents were Daniel + Mary from Ireland!!

I will look for more later!

Dea Xxx

yes you could be right Dea,I put them on here because that was the only ones i could find on bdm for lancashire.I have got no acsess to ancesrty.
i will remove them as less confushion

Thanks Sablon,

Sue is in luck - Daniel married Mary in Wigan - she was his second wife but there is a little confusion on the name.

I have to 'do things' this morning so perhaps you could see if you can come up with anything on this? - There might be something on IGI ??

1851 England Census
about Daniel Hogan
Name: Daniel Hogan
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: M
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:............... Army Lane

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 1k
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 122
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Hogan 45 Chelsea Pensioner
M Hogan 34
E Hogan 27
M Hogan 10
Mary Boyle 7 step daug - Wigan
John Hogan 5 b Wigan
B Hogan 9 Mo b Wigan




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2199; Folio: 310; Page: 27; GSU roll: 87208-87209.

Source Information:


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Marriages Mar 1849 (>99%)
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Birchall Edward Wigan 21 566
Bolton James Wigan 21 566
****Boylan Mary Wigan 21 566
Hartliff Ann Wigan 21 566
****Hogan Daniel Wigan 21 566
Hogg Alice Wigan 21 566
MARKLAND James Wigan 21 566
Wright Ann Jane Wigan 21 566

** I have looked at the images and the marriage says BOYLAN and the birth says BOYLE:

Births Dec 1844

Boyle Mary Wigan 21 804


We need to find a marriage for Mary to Mr Boyle or Boylan, plus a death for husband No. 1 ???

I can't follow it till later.

Dea x

Daniel Hogan (Gt. Gt. Grandfather) seems to have died between 1861 + 1871 census -
This would be most probable death reg:

Deaths Jun 1861
Hogan Daniel Easington 10a 197
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Mary then re-marries (husband no 3?):

Marriages Dec 1866
Hogan Mary Easington 10a 533
INGLEBY Reuben Easington 10a 533
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Here they are on 1871: with your gt. grandfather:

1871 England Census
about Daniel Hogan
Name: Daniel Hogan
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Ruben
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Castle Eden, Durham, England
Civil parish: Brancepeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Willington St Stephen
Town: Oakenshaw
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 107
Household Members: Name Age
Ruben Ingleby 61
Mary Ingleby 57
Annie Hogan 18
Thomas Hogan 15
Daniel Hogan 12




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4961; Folio: 17; Page: 27; GSU roll: 848030.


Dea x

So, we already have Daniel on 1881 living with his sister Annie (Daley)
Household Members: Name Age
Dominic Daley 30
Annie Daley 27
James Daley 22
Daniel Hogan 21


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4922; Folio: 55; Page: 43; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342183.

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He is still with them on 1891 although now married:

Durham
Sub-registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Domnick Daley 41
Ann Daley 37
Mary A Daley 5
Daniel Daley 3
Daniel Hogan 28



Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4101; Folio 40; Page 22; GSU roll: 6099211.

Unfortunately, no sign of wife and son John !!!!!

Dea x

this is all that came up for that year

Individual Record FamilySearch™ Pedigree Resource File

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Daniel Hogan Compact Disc #92 Pin #620946 Pedigree
Sex: M

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Event(s)
Birth: abt 1808

Ireland

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Parents

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Mary Quirk Disc #92 Pin #620947
Marriage:



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Notes and Sources
Notes: None
Sources: None

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Submitter
Albert Frank KOLTOSKY
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Submission Search: 2762772-0704104123343

Hi Sablon & Dea my so much info since i've been away !! it makes my findings so inadequate !!!!! i don't know if this is going to confuse things but have i got the right family here ?? if not i will delete it

HOGAN, DANIEL HEAD MARRIED M 49 COAL MINER HEWER DURHAM CASTLE EDEN HUTTEN HENRY
HOGAN, SARAH ANN WIFE MARRIED 24 F 44 WIGAN PARISH LANCS
HOGAN, JOHN SON SINGLE M 22 COAL MINER HEWER WIGAN PARISH LANCS
HOGAN, DANIEL SON M 5 SCOTLAND HAMILTON RESIDENT
FERRIS, JAMES BOARDER MARRIED M 24 COAL MINER PUTTER BELOW GROUND WINGATE CO DURHAM
FERRIS, HENRIETTA BOARDER MARRIED F 20 WEST HARTLEPOOL DURHAM
FERRIS, SIDNEY JAMES BOARDER M 2 HESLEDEN C/O DURHAM
FERRIS, LEONARD BOARDER M 6 MONTHS WEST HARTLEPOOL DURHAM

Sue

Sorry forgot to say its from 1911 census

This is the one I put up yesterday - It IS correct !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dea x

I don't think the Ferris family are connected but it might be worthwhile to follow the Scottish birth for Daniel in 1905/6?

Dea x

Hi Sue,

I don't have access to scotlandspeople but it might be worthwhile following that 1905 birth for Daniel ??

Dea x

How daft am i !!! Does this site not do Scottish births ?? i have just been looking but the only Daniels are from England

I think th site is called 'scotlandspeople' but I am sure someone will guide you in the right direction !!! ???

Thanks,

Dea x

I'm back ! only 1 record for a Daniel Hogan birth from 1903-7 but he died aged 5 days old.

did find a mariage for a Daniel Hogan coal miner - father daniel coal miner deceased & Sarah Ann Kay thought ohh, but that would mean they would have only been married 15 yrs in 1911 not 24

Thats all i could find on Scottish BMD sorry

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search/birth/index.aspx


i did a search but no daniel between 1900 -1906 in hamilton