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The CORRECT GGGFather (maternal side)

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WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 19 May 2010 21:53

Hmmm, i think you might have gotten Ella's mothers name a little confused.

You stated she's Janet Alice Stewart nee Dodd,

She is actually Janet Alice Dodd, Widow nee Stewart !

Marriages Sep 1902
Dodd William John Newcastle T. 10b 250
Stewart Janet Alice Newcastle T. 10b 250


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David

David Report 19 May 2010 21:56

Birth Certificate 27/2/1880
Thomas Atkinson Boy
Mother Mary Ann Atkinson formerly Scott
Father John Atkinson Fireman 9 Morrison Street Newcastle
Registrar William Hunter.

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 19 May 2010 21:59

Interesting....

Is this them in 1911?

1911 RG14PN30597 RG78PN1753 RD558 SD3 ED19 SN107
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: Elswick
Address: 22 Greenhow Place Newcastle upon Tyne County: Northumberland
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DODD, John William Head Married M 24 1887 Coal Miner Hewer Wark Northumberland
DODD, Janet Wife Married F 24 1887 Newcastle on Tyne
DODD, Ethel May Daughter F 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Newcastle on Tyne


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David

David Report 19 May 2010 22:01

Witness at wedding 13/6/1945
Joseph Atkinson
Agnes Gustard

David

David Report 19 May 2010 22:04

Death certificate 10/10/1957
Thomas Atkinson
Coronary thrombosis
Chronic bronchitis

witness
E Irvine dughter
200 Portland Road Newcastle

David

David Report 19 May 2010 22:10

Marriage certificate 22/9/1928
Thomas Atkinson 48 years widower
Janet Alice Dodds 44 years widow

Father of the groom John Atkinson deceased Marine engineer seagoing
Father of the bride Thomas William Stewart Chair maker

Witness
E Raine
E Gustard

David

David Report 19 May 2010 22:11

They married in 1928 Tracey

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 19 May 2010 22:17

OK

Thomas Atkinson, father John.

How does John Atkinson on the birth cert of Thomas go from being a Fireman to a Marine Engineer on his son marriage cert some 48 years later?

Sorry if i have loads of questions, but picking at the bones often gets you the answers.

Out of all the possible Thomas Atkinson birth what made you pick the one you did??


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WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 19 May 2010 22:22

Do you have the birth cert for the other Thomas?

>>>Births Dec 1879 - ATKINSON Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 83
Births Mar 1880 - Atkinson Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 144

Tracey x

David

David Report 19 May 2010 22:26

? I knew my Grand Father as a child.
His birth marriage and death certificates were left to my Mother and on her passing came to me.

John Atkinson's employment? I can only state whats on the certificates.
I "suspect" he was a seamean, inshore, at the time sail was giving way to coal fired engines.

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 19 May 2010 22:27

Right something to go with.... perhaps John was a Fireman on a boat? (or the registrar misheard him?)

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 5066 Folio: 72 Page: 21
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: Byker
Address: 5, Morrison St, Byker County: Northumberland
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ATKINSON, John Head Married M 38 1843 Waterman Newcastle Northumberland
ATKINSON, Mary A Wife Married F 33 1848 Newcastle Northumberland
ATKINSON, Alice Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar Newcastle Northumberland
ATKINSON, Joseph Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Newcastle Northumberland
ATKINSON, John W Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar Newcastle Northumberland
ATKINSON, George Son Single M 4 1877 Newcastle Northumberland
ATKINSON, Thomas Son Single M 1 1880


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David

David Report 19 May 2010 22:28

Tracey Ive put the 1880 birth certificate on here

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 19 May 2010 22:29

same family in 1871?

1871 RG number: RG10 Piece: 5105 Folio: 88 Page: 31
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: Byker
Address: Bermondsey Street, Byker, Newcastle On Tyne County: Northumberland
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ATKINSON, John Head M 28 1843 Northumberland
ATKINSON, Mary A Wife F 23 1848 Northumberland
ATKINSON, Alice Daughter F 2 1869 Northumberland
ATKINSON, Joseph Son M 0 1871 Northumberland

David

David Report 19 May 2010 22:30

Yes, Fireman as in stoker on a boat?
5 Morrison Street was where my Grand Father was born

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 19 May 2010 22:31

Yes David i ahve seen that, thats why i say the first bit of good evidence is the 1881 i have found.

I'm not trying to disprove you, i am trying to pick thru what we hae a see where you believe you may have gone wrong!

The only way we can do that is to start by dismissing almost everything except the certs and build from there....

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David

David Report 19 May 2010 22:32

Thats what Ive got Wayne Tracey
Either Im right or Ive got the wrong family

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 19 May 2010 22:32

You listed No9 on your bit of data.

Anyhow. We have got back to 1871. Do you have any certs for the marriage of Mary A & John ?


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WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 19 May 2010 22:33

Hang on,

Let me follow John thru the census's and see if his occupation changes favourably.


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David

David Report 19 May 2010 22:37

I got John senior and Mary Ann from the census

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 19 May 2010 22:37

1891, John is an Engineman Steamboat..... so he's moving slowly to Marine Engineer.

1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 4213 Folio: 50 Page: 12
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District: Byker
Address: 40, Mawson Street, Byker, Newcastle On Tyne County: Northumberland
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ATKINSON, John Head Married M 48 1843 Engineman Steamboat Newcastle Tyne
ATKINSON, Mary A Wife Married F 43 1848 Shotley Bridge County Durham
ATKINSON, Alice Daughter Married F 22 1869 Newcastle Tyne
ATKINSON, Joseph Son Single M 20 1871 Shipmate Newcastle Tyne
ATKINSON, John W Son Single M 18 1873 Fireman Steamboat Newcastle Tyne
ATKINSON, George Son M 14 1877 Sailmaker Newcastle Tyne
ATKINSON, Thomas Son M 11 1880 Scholar Newcastle Tyne
ATKINSON, Mary A Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar Newcastle Tyne
ATKINSON, Jane Daughter F 4 1887 Newcastle Tyne
ATKINSON, Henry Son M 2 1889 Newcastle Tyne



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