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You have been very busy and I am grateful.

I will study that which you have found as I wish to know how you got from A to B to C

Thank you sincerely Tracey x

In the 1851 census I found
living in 35 Bells Close Newcastle
James Atkinson Head Waterman
Joseph Atkinson Son 8 years Scholar

The marriage certificate of John Atkinson and Mary Ann Scott is ordered from GRO

Thanks for your help so far

Oh David I am glad Tracy is helping you as if anyone can find info she can.

She seems to be on the same lines as the info I have given you.

Mel

Oddly enough, before I sought help on this this thread, I had John Atkinson's father on my tree as Joseph and Joseph's Father as as William.

Put them in at least a year ago, cannot recall where or who I got them from.

As I'm rather sslow at using the tools available, they must have been volunteered

Awwww thanks Mel, you made me blush!


T x

I ordered the marriage certificate from GRO 28/5/10
Still haven't received it yet.

Certerfied Copy Of An Entry Of Marriage
Given at GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE

1867 Marriage solemnized at The Parish Church of All Saints
In the county of Newcastle upon Tyne

No 406 June 24 1867

John Atkinson 24 Bachelor Waterman
Pilgrim Street

Father's name Joseph Atkinson Waterman

Mary Ann Scott 20 Spinster
Pilgrim Street

Father's name James Scott Foreman

Married by Walter "squiggle"

In the presence of us

Hugh Pears
Hannah Robinson

Would the GRO certificate number help ?
MXE 930128

I'm going to leave this for this evening and try again tomorrow

I recently posted details of a GRO cert showing my GGFather's wedding to Mary Ann Scott with their Father's names.

It says at the bottom of the cert CAUTION: THERE AREOFFENCES RELATING TO FALSIFYING OR ALTERING A CERTIFICATE AND USING OR POSSESSING A FALSE CERTIFICATE

WARNING: A CERTIFICATE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF IDENTITY.

To my interpretation this means not proof of identity of the possesser, not the party on the certificate.

Am I correct?

Will GRO give Josephs marriage to Alice without a date?
Will GRO give Joseph's birth certificate without an exact date?

Hey there David

Like i said to you in that PM

You will need to get hold of the Watermen Society (google them) They will hold the records on your relatives. I ma lead to believe they are quite comprehensive records and may give you more data than you already have.

Google 'Newcastle Watermen' and see what come up.

This is the line you will need to follow now. Being a Waterman was a skilled trade and the records kepy could include parent names and other members of the family whom are Watermen.


Tracey x

Thank you T. I had thought you were refering to a book.

There are some historical records at the Guildhall Newcastle

I'm very impressed with my fore fathers
When there was no wind to use sail, they would row.

Would GRO be able to provide a marriage certificate for Josepeh Atkinson Bc1813 and Alice StoreyBc1811 married c1838? I dont have an exact dates, or would it be better to go for Joseph's birth certificate??

The intended purpose of either route being to find Josephs parents