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scarey

scarey Report 4 Oct 2011 11:28

Sgt John mcmahon married maryann smith 11th april 1856 at liverpool.He was in the 83rd regiment and fathers name was daniel.spouses name mary ann smith daughter of james.
MaryAnn was the sister of my great grandmother.John was born about 1834 probably in Ireland. We now know the family emigrated to Australia arriving on the "lillies" from liverpool to melbourne in december 1861 see last post on page two for details.
now many of the children found but would love to know who the next generation were. The children we have found were my granfahters cousins by way of his orphaned mother does anyone have access to world wide ancestry
names of children on page 2







thanks sue

scarey

scarey Report 12 Oct 2011 19:49

Maybe it is possible that someone has a subscription to find my past who can find out more from army records
heres hoping

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Oct 2011 19:51

Hello Scary - when was John McMahon born? Or does it just say "full age" on the marriage cert?

Do you have any idea of children's names?

scarey

scarey Report 12 Oct 2011 19:55

Full age thats all I have to go on

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Oct 2011 20:00

Have had a quick look on FMP and on the 1861 Worldwide Army Index alone there are shedloads of John McMahons.......

scarey

scarey Report 12 Oct 2011 20:03

he was in the 83rd regiment in 1856

scarey

scarey Report 12 Oct 2011 20:05

think there was possibly a daniel. I found a daniel on the 1881 census as a young soldier in the salfords born liverpool and as johns father was a daniel I wondered if he could be a son of john and maryann
all mary ann's sibling had two names ie mary ann, stephen henry etc so it might also of happened in their kids if they had any

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Oct 2011 20:06

These are the only ones I can see in the British Army Service Records 1760-1915 that mention 83rd

Last name First name(s) Year of birth Place of birth Regiment
MCMAHON John 1880 Belfast, Antrim Royal Irish Rifles - 83rd & 86th Foot WO96 Militia
MCMAHON John 1887 Belfast, Antrim Royal Irish Rifles - 83rd & 86th Foot WO96 Militia
MCMAHON John 1873 Rathfriland, Down Royal Irish Rifles - 83rd & 86th Foot WO96 Militia
MCMAHON John 1859 Bellriffon, Dublin Royal Irish Rifles - 83rd & 86th Foot WO96 Militia
MCMAHON John 1868 Drogheda, Louth Royal Irish Rifles - 83rd & 86th Foot WO96 Militia
MCMAHON John 1878 Drogheda, Louth Royal Irish Rifles - 83rd & 86th Foot WO96 Militia
MCMAHON John 1876 Dundalk, Monaghan Royal Irish Rifles - 83rd & 86th Foot WO96 Militia

Birth years don't seem right .....

scarey

scarey Report 12 Oct 2011 20:06

have to sign off here for today back tomorrow

scarey

scarey Report 12 Oct 2011 20:06

have to sign off here for today back tomorrow

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 12 Oct 2011 20:09

You could be onto something with a son called Daniel:

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906

Name: Daniel McMahon
Birth Date: 3 Feb 1858
Baptism Date: 14 Feb 1858
Parish: Holy Cross
Father's Name: Joannis Mcm (John McMahon)
Mother's Name: Maria Anna Smith (Mary Ann Smith)

Unfortunately, the Catholic baptisms don't give occupations or addresses.

The godparents were Anastasia McMahon and John Murnan (?)

scarey

scarey Report 13 Oct 2011 10:38

Dear Marie Celeste Thats fantastic thank you
where did you find the catholic baptisms for liverpool 1802-1906?
Are you able to find censuses for daniel later on ie 1861 or 1871 .I could only find one in 1881 but I relooked and it looks as if he was born inliverpool in 1862-3. There was a daniel mcmahon died liverpool 1858, i wonder if that is one you found the bapt record for, which would explain his absence in 1861 and 1871.Alternatively john might have been posted abroad. I found on IGI births to john mcmahon and mary ann in the 1860's but nothing definately links them to my john and mary ann- unless we find that the regiment was in india at that time
The witness anastasia looks promising.Will see what I can find about her
thanaks again

scarey

scarey Report 13 Oct 2011 10:51

Dear Marie celeste
Could you look up
Maria Anna Mcmahon born liverpool,
Johannes Jacobus
and elizabeth maria
as these names are given in the summary of ancestry and match names in Mary anns family
unfortunately I don't have access to ancestry images
thanks again

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 13 Oct 2011 19:21

There are 2 Daniel McMahon burials in 1858, but unfortunately no family details:

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1988

Name: Daniel McMahon
Burial Date: 7 Jul 1858
Parish: St Oswald
Age: 3
Address: 1 Crostow Street (looks like)

Name: Daniel McMahon
Burial Date: 25 Aug 1858
Parish: St Oswald
Age: Infant
Address: Clayton Street.

The latter of the two is a possibility.

(These records, and the earlier baptism are from Ancestry)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 13 Oct 2011 19:24

I'll happily look up those records on ancestry, but you'll need to tell me what type of records they were, the full names and the ages.

scarey

scarey Report 13 Oct 2011 19:32

Hi
the liverpool catholic baptisms 1802- 1906
father johannes mcmahon or joannis mcmahon
mother maria anna smith
children names elizabeth ann, or john james, or maria anna, or eliza maria. not sure what parish I tried a search with dates 1860 +/- 4 years and 3 possibles sounded good

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 13 Oct 2011 19:34

Ah, here's one of those records:

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906

Name: Joannes Jacobus McMahon
Birth Date: 13 Jan 1857
Baptism Date: 25 Jan 1857
Parish: St Nicholas
Father's Name: Joannis Mcmahon
Mother's Name: Maria Anna Smith
Godparents: Michael Murnan and Anna McMahon

scarey

scarey Report 13 Oct 2011 19:34

have just found an Anastasia died liverpool 1897 aged 62 therefore born about 1835. I'll see if I can see her on the censuses between 1858 and 1891

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 13 Oct 2011 19:37

There's this, too:

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906

Name: James McMahon
Birth Date: 4 Oct 1856
Baptism Date: 22 Oct 1856
Parish: Our Lady of Reconciliation de La Salette
Father's Name: Joannes Mcmahon
Mother's Name: Mariae Annae
Godparents: Louisa Donnelly & Martinus Hollis (Wallis?)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 13 Oct 2011 19:41

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906

Name: Maria Anna McMahon
Birth Date: 2 Aug 1860
Baptism Date: 12 Aug 1860
Parish: St Nicholas
Father's Name: Joannis Mcmahon
Mother's Name: Maria Anna Smith
Godparents: Michael Furlong & Gratia Turbill (?)

(wish they'd had wordprocessors in thos days!)