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john Mcmahon/ maryann smith australia

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MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Oct 2011 17:03

Did you get the info about Mary Ann dying as Chesswas in 1935 from someone's tree? If so, I've seen a tree on ancestry where they have her marrying George Forster Chesswas and they have this marriage record attached:

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Name: Louisa Freeman
Spouse Name: George Forster Chesswas
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Number: ??3

Never, ever trust info on anyone else's tree!!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Oct 2011 17:07

I think this is the death of the Louisa in the above marriage:

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Louisa Chesswas
Death Place: Carlton, Victoria
Age: 40
Father's Name: Freeman Thos
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Clarke
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 12688
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Oct 2011 17:09

Then there's this death:

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Annie Chesswas
Death Place: Black Rock, Victoria
Age: 70
Father's Name: Jno Mcmahon
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Smith
Registration Year: 1935
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 7653
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865

and this one:

Name: Geo Forster Chesswas
Death Place: Melbourne, Victoria
Age: 65
Father's Name: Geo Chesswas
Mother's Name: Emma Dell
Registration Year: 1924
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 14983
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Oct 2011 17:19

The only other marriage I can see for a George Chesswas (apart from his parents) is this:

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Name: Geo Forester Chesswas
Spouse Name: Ann Magt Slattery
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Number: 9242

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Oct 2011 17:24

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name: George Forrester Chesswas < A boilermaker
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1924
State: Victoria
District: Yarra
Subdistrict: Richmond Central
Living at 225 Lennox Street with Annie, who did "home duties"

Name: George Forrester Chesswas < Ironworker
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1914
State: Victoria
District: Batman
Subdistrict: Clifton Hill
Living at 87 Spensley Street, Clifton Hill with Annie. Also with them are Percival John Slattery and Ernest Slattery.

Name: George Chesswas < Ironworker
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1903
State: Victoria
District: Yarra
Subdistrict: Darling Ward
Living at 32 Alexander Street with Louisa. Nearby at no 17 is Frank Chesswas.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Oct 2011 17:36

Could this be a transition from Mary Ann McMahon at Ann Mgt Slattery?

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Name: Mary Ann McMahon
Spouse Name: John Slattery
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1882
Registration Number: 2200

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Oct 2011 17:58

John & Mary Ann's firstborn?

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922

Name: Percival John Slattery
Father's Name: John Slattery
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Mcmahon
Birth Place: Fitzroy, Victoria
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 2864
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Perclval John Slattery
Death Place: Cambrian Hill, Victoria
Age: 82
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Anne Mcmahon
Registration Year: 1969
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 20328
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name: Percival John Slattery < Dairyman
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1963
State: Victoria
District: Kooyong
Subdistrict: Canterbury
Living at 313, Canterbury Road, with Violet May

Name: Percival John Slattery < Boot trade
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1931
State: Victoria
District: Kooyong
Subdistrict: Kew
Living at 7 Hamilton Street with Violet May and also Violet - a stenographer.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Oct 2011 18:14

Percival John and Violet May's daughter:

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922

Name: Violet Slattery
Father's Name: Percival Jno Slattery
Mother's Name: Violet May Holmes
Birth Place: Victoria, Victoria
Registration Year: 1908
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 27303R
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Violet May's death:

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Violet May Slattery
Death Place: Cant, Victoria
Age: 76
Father's Name: Robert Holmes
Mother's Name: Margaret
Registration Year: 1963
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 24518
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Looks like Violet May had been married before:

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950

Name: Percy Jno Slattery
Spouse Name: May Violet Robbins
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Number: 9616

Name: Violet May Holmes
Spouse Name: Wm Regg Robbins
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1904
Registration Number: 8117

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Oct 2011 18:24

Another son for John and Mary ann:

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922

Name: Ernest Slattery
Father's Name: Jno Slattery
Mother's Name: Annie Mcmahon
Birth Place: Collingwood, Victoria
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 11661
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Ernest Slattery
Death Place: Blac, Victoria
Age: 75
Father's Name: Perciva John (so that must be his father's full name)
Mother's Name: Ann!E Mcmahon
Registration Year: 1965
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 8384
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Oct 2011 18:51

Moving to another of John & Mary Ann's daughters:

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Kate Thorn
Death Place: West Footscray, Victoria
Age: 71
Father's Name: Jno Jas Mcmahon
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Smith
Registration Year: 1936
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 10614
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name: Kate Thorn
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1903
State: Victoria
District: Melbourne Ports
Subdistrict: Footscray North
Living at 56 Commercial Road with James George, an ironworker.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Oct 2011 19:05

Kate & James George's first daughter:

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922

Name: Phoebe Muriel Thorn
Father's Name: Jas Geo Thorn
Birth Place: Collingwood, Victoria
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 2477

Possible marriage for her:

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Lesl Ie Gorwn Privett (Leslie Gordon, Engine Fitter per later ERs)
Spouse Name: Muriel Phoebe Thorn
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1916
Registration Number: 8352

Yes, borne out by this death:

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Phoebe Muriel Privett
Death Place: Park, Victoria
Age: 76
Father's Name: James Thorn
Mother's Name: Katherine Mcmahon
Registration Year: 1964
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 11149
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Registration Year: 1916
Registration Number: 8352

scarey

scarey Report 22 Oct 2011 19:24

Wow marie celeste YOU are amazing
Its going to take me ages to get my head around all this.
I got her dying as chesswas from the death index- not from others trees.Though I cheated and took the dates of birth for what the family tree synpis threw up as I could access the dates in the birth indices.
I'll look through and come back to you

scarey

scarey Report 22 Oct 2011 19:35

I think It will be tomorrow before I work my way through it all
thank you again :-D

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 22 Oct 2011 20:18

I'm not done yet!!

Here's their second daughter:

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
Name: Ruby May Thorn
Father's Name: James Geore- Thorn
Mother's Name: Catherine Mcmahon
Birth Place: Lingwood, Victoria
Registration Year: 1893
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 2837
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Possible death:

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Rusy May Anderson
Death Place: Box Hill, Victoria
Age: 66
Father's Name: James Ge Thorn
Mother's Name: Catilerine Mcmahon
Registration Year: 1960
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 1402
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, there are 4 possible Ruby May Andersons on the 1919 ER in Victoria:
Ruby May Anderson Female 1919 Victoria Batman Fitzroy North
Ruby May Anderson Female 1919 Victoria Bourke Northcote
Ruby May Anderson Female 1919 Victoria Maribyrnong Footscray North
Ruby May Anderson Female 1919 Victoria Melbourne Ports Williamstown

MeJoy75

MeJoy75 Report 22 Oct 2011 22:22

Bit more info

Surname: McMahon
Names: Steph Walts <<mistranscribed
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: Rohan
Spouses Names: Cath Frances
Yr: 1912
Reg No: 1379

birth of daughter

Surname: McMahon
Given Names: Irene Alice
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Steph Watts
Mothers Name: Cath Frances Rohan
Birthplace: Hawthorn
Yr: 1912
Reg No: 30744

Another child to John & Mary Ann

Surname: McMahon
Given Names: Alice Ellen Christina
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: John
Mothers Name: Mary Ann Smith
Birthplace: Coll
Yr: 1878
Reg No: 14880

and her death

Surname: McMahon
Names: Alice Ellen Christina
Event: Death
Fathers Surname: McMahon
Fathers Name: John
Mothers Name: Mary Ann Smith
Deathplace: Fitzroy
Age: 68
Yr: 1947
Reg No: 5360

Joy

MeJoy75

MeJoy75 Report 22 Oct 2011 22:48

More deaths

Surname: McMahon
Names: Alfred Frederick
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Jno
Mothers Name: Mary Ann Smith
Deathplace: Hampton
Age: 59
Yr: 1933
Reg No: 8235

Surname: McMahon
Names: Edith Maude
Event: Death
Fathers Name: John
Mothers Name: Mary Ann Smith
Deathplace: Kew
Age: 96
Yr: 1972
Reg No: 22781

Joy


MeJoy75

MeJoy75 Report 23 Oct 2011 00:44

Just to confirm marriages, found on Digger BDM Victorian Pioneer Index 1836-1888 and Edwardian Index 1902-1913

Surname: McMahon
Given Names: Mary Ann born >>>>LIVERPOOL
Spouses Surname: Slattery
Spouses Surname: John

Surname: Slattery
Given Names: Mary Ann born Liverpool
Spouses Surname: Chesswas
Spouses Given Names: Geo Forester

Surname: Privett
Given Names: Geoffrey Gordon Geo
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Leslie Gordon
Mothers Name: Phoebe Muriel Thorn
Birthplace: Footscray
Yr: 1917
Reg No: 29105

marriage of Ruby, MarieCeleste you can now find them on the ER

Surname: Anderson
Name: Arth Gordon
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: Thorn
Spouses Given Names: Ruby May
Yr: 1914
Reg No: 8393

their children

Surname: Anderson
Given Names: Harold Krithia Gordon Jas
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Arth Gordon
Mothers Name: Ruby May Thorn
Birthplace: Fscray [Footscray]
Yr: 1916
Reg No: 20729

and his marriages

Surname: Anderson
Given Names: Harold Krithia Gordon Jas
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: Lambert
Spouses Names: Unice May
Yr: 1932
Reg No: 6078

her death

Surname: Anderson
Given Names: Unice May
Event: Death
Fathers Surname: Lambert
Fathers Names: Jno Wm
Mothers Name: Ivy Myrtle Sutherland
Deathplace: Melbourne
Age: 19
Yr: 1935
Reg No: 8289

Surname: Anderson
Given Names: Harold Crithea Gordon Jas
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: Beaton
Spouses Given Names: Beryl Joan
Yr: 1938
Reg No: 1779

Surname: Anderson
Given Names: Ruby Phyllis
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Arthur Gordon
Mothers Name: Ruby May Thorn
Birthplace: Fscray [Footscray]
Yr: 1920
Reg No: 3739

MeJoy75

MeJoy75 Report 23 Oct 2011 02:50

And more

Surname: Privett
Given Names: Geoffrey Gordon Geo
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: Munn
Spouses Given Names: Grace Millicent
Yr: 1942
Reg No: 12129

Ernest Slattery & Arthur Gordon Anderson both signed up for WW1, you can see their digital service records at

http://mappingouranzacs.naa.gov.au/list-name.aspx?name=Anderson

Gordon's record is on page 5, middle person (3 records).

for Ernest, same address but Slattery.

You can download the pages to your computer.

Joy

MeJoy75

MeJoy75 Report 23 Oct 2011 07:39

scarey,

???????possible sister to John McMahon, immigrated also

Surname: Thorpe
Given Names: Alfred
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: McMahon
Spouses Given Names: Elizabeth
Yr: 1857
Reg No: 1909

her death

Surname: Thorpe
Given Names: Eliza
Event: Death
Fathers Surname: McMahon
Fathers Given Names: Daniel<<<<<<<<
Mothers Name: Mary Hayes<<<<<<<<
Age: 35
Birthplace: Tipp<<<<<<<<<<
Yr: 1874
Reg No: 1136

Not sure if this is her arrival, only record I can find

Surname: McMahon
Name: E
Age: A
Arrival: Apr 1855
Ship: Windward
Port: F
Fiche: 032
Page: 001

children born to the above couple, all in the gold diggings area of Bendigo

Surname: Thorpe
Given Name: Alfred
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Alfred
Mothers Name: Eliza McMahon
Birthplace: California Gully
Yr: 1858
Reg No: 19418

Surname: Thorpe
Given Names: Mary Ann
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Alfred
Mothers Name: Elizabeth Mahon
Birthplace: California [Gully]
Yr: 1859
Reg No: 21723

Surname: Thorpe
Given Names: Daniel John
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Alfred
Mothers Name: Eliza McMahon
Birthplace: Cali [California Gully]
Yr: 1862
Reg No: 16528

his death

Surname: Thorpe
Given Names: Daniel John
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Alfred
Mothers Name: Eliza U
Age: 4
Deathplace: Nerr
Yr: 1866
Reg No: 7941

Surname: Thorpe
Given Names: Elizabeth
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Alfred
Mothers Name: Eliza McMahon
Birthplace: Sand [Sandhurst]
Yr: 1864
Reg No: 11477

sadly her death as well

Surname: Thorpe
Given Names: Elizabeth
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Alfred
Mothers Name: Eliza McMahon
Deathplace: Sand [Sandhurst]
Yr: 1864
Reg No: 4780

Joy

scarey

scarey Report 23 Oct 2011 12:29

many thanks marie celeste and mejoy
a lot of reading needed now
I noticed that violet slattery seems to be born 6 years before her parents married born 1908 marriage 1914. Could this be a transcription error and really be 1918 as a birth year.

Is there any way of discovering what happend to mary Ann nee smith, as she would only have been about 45 when her husband died.perhaps she remarried too
thanks again