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Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 8 Sep 2012 21:52

Well done!!

Do you suppose that she died in America too, as her daughter was there in 1900?

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 8 Sep 2012 22:00

Now Moody Blue....!!!
Have had enough trauma finding the Marriage..was tring to find the boarder crossing for John but dont have access ...should be about 1885 give or take a year...may shed some light on exactly where he was born..
Will have a look for Lizzies death...

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 8 Sep 2012 22:39

Well Done Erigobragh and Moody Blue,
You did well while I had to go to work.!

Just spotted something interesting....
There were TWO men called Daniel Maron Sager, and both born in PA just 4yrs apart. Surely they were cousins?
I am certain that you chose the correct WW11 docs


Daniel Maron Sagar b 11 Nov 1879 Buena Vista, PA
Above is the one you posted WW11 details for.
He also has a WW1 draft.
His next of Kin was: Sarah Sager, 625 Mifflin Street? WILKINSBURG, PA
(I presume this is his wife)
It looks suspiciously like the same address on the travel docs for James Clusker from 1916
His WW1 info shows that his left foot was missing! ( cut off .sic)

This one is a different man
Daniel Maron Sager b 30 Sep 1875
Has a WW1 draft and his mother was called KOZIAH Sagar. He died 21 Jul 1945

Anne
Edit

Daniel and wife Sadie/ Sarah

1910 United States Federal Census about Daniel M Sager
Name: Daniel M Sager
[Danial M Sager]
Age in 1910: 30
Birth Year: 1880
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1910: Swissvale Ward 1, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Sadie Sager
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel M Sager 30
Sadie Sager 29

1920 United States Federal Census about Daniel M Sager
Name: Daniel M Sager
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1880
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1920: Wilkinsburg Ward 3, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Sara Sager
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home Owned: Rent
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel M Sager 40
Sara Sager 39


1930 United States Federal Census about Daniel M Sager
Name: Daniel M Sager
[Daniel M Savges]
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1880
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Race: White
Home in 1930: Wilkinsburg, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
View Map
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Sadie M Sager
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel M Sager 50
Sadie M Sager 49



Not 100% sure if this is the correct one in 1940
1940 United States Federal Census about Daniel Sager
Name: Daniel Sager
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Uncle
Home in 1940: Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
View Map
Street: Duffield Street
House Number: 1440
Inferred Residence in 1935: Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Sheet Number: 1A
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Harrison Goodrich 56
Laura B Goodrich 40
Daniel Sager 60 WIDOWED

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 8 Sep 2012 23:42

FINALLY CRACKED JOHN SCOTT !!!!

parents: Walter Scott,? Isabella Mark
name: John Scott
gender: Male
birth date: 06 Feb 1865
birthplace: WHITBURN,WEST LOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: Walter Scott
mother's name: Isabella Mark
indexing project (batch) number: C11673-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 603551



Children of WALTER SCOTT AND ISABELLA MARK

MARY Scott b 29 Nov 1862 SHOTTS, LANARKSHIRE
JOHN Scott 6 Feb 1865. WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN
ADAM Scott b 25 Mar 1867 BOTHWELL, LANARKSHIRE
ALLAN Scott b 27 Apr 1874 WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN
AGNES Scott 12 Jul 1869 WHITBURN, WEST LOTHIAN

The entire family emigrated to PA in 1879 aboard the Devonia


1880 United States Federal Census about Walter Scott
Name: Walter Scott
Age: 38
Birth Year: abt 1842
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1880: Chartiers, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Ezibela Scott
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Miner
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Scott 38
Ezibela Scott 36
Mary Scott 17
John Scott 15
Adam Scott 13
Agness Scott 11
Walter Scott 8
Allen Scott 6
George Scott 4 b Scotland
William Scott 1 b Pennsylvania


The family returned in 1892 aboard the State of California.
Although parents and siblings wre abaord, son John was not!

Will PM all papers to James.

Anne

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 9 Sep 2012 00:03

Excellent Anne!!

Now we need to find both of their deaths......is that right?

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 9 Sep 2012 00:12

The 1901 census that has John Scott, George Scott ( boarders) and the Winning family at 4 Landale Terrace must be the correct one. John Scotts birthplace is
Crofthead, Linlithgowshire abt 1865


CROFTHEAD, town, 3J miles south-west of Whitburn, Linlithgowshire.
Crofthead Iron-Stone Pits. - parish of Whitburn, Linlithgowshire,

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 9 Sep 2012 00:24

In 1911 he is still lodging with the Winning family but this time he has his brother Walter with him (born America) John still born Whitburn, Linlithgowshire,, both miners. Address stil 4 Landale Terrace Auchtertool.

see post a little below:-

John Winning married Mary Scott ( John's sister) in America

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 9 Sep 2012 00:27

Yes we do need to find the deaths.

On the return journey in 1892 there are 3 more children who did not appear on the 1880 census, although at least one must be a grandchild.
His name is JOHN Scott age4
The party consisted of:
Walter Scott age51
Mrs Scott age 48
David Campbell age 21
Mrs Campbell age 19.... is this Agnes Scott????
Walter Scott age 20
Allan Scott age 17
George Scott age11
William Scott age 9
Alex Scott age 7
Robert Scott age 6
John Scott age 4.... he cannot be a child of Walter and Isabella must be a g/child

My reckoning is is that children Mary, John and Adam Scott are all missing from this ship, although they may be filed on another page.
Will go back and double check

Anne


Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 9 Sep 2012 00:38

George Scott


1911 Census
address 2 landale Terrace Auchtertool

George Scott age 34 head, Coal Miner Hewer born Midlothian Liberton
Margaret age 34 wife born Lanark Glasgow
margaret age 7 daughter born Lanark Delsirf
Walter age 5 son born Fife Beath
isabella age 4 daughter born Lanark Delserf
Mary age 2 daughter born Fife Auchtertool
Thomas age 7 months son born Fife Auchtertool his address says 3 landale Terrace Reading Room?

Married 8 years, 5 choldren born , 5 children living.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 9 Sep 2012 01:12


I couldn't find the Scott family on a UK census of 1871 but now I see why.....

It looks as if Walter Snr already was living in PA in 1870.... with a Scottish born family called MARK ( Isabella's brother perhaps?)

1870 United States Federal Census about Walter Scott
Name: Walter Scott
Age in 1870: 23
Birth Year: abt 1847
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1870: Barclay, Bradford, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Barclay
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Mark 38
Jennett Mark 37
Isabella Mark 13
Alexander Mark 7
Thomas Mark 6
Adam Mark 3
Jennett Mark 11/12
George Scott 28
Walter Scott 23


Then, on 21 Oct 1870, his wife Isabella, children Mary, John, Adam and Agnes all arrived aboard the Australia from Glasgow.

I cannot find them returning to the UK after this but the must have been back by 1874 ( birth of Allan)
They left again in 1879 aboard the Devonia
This time Walter and Isabella travelled together with 7 children, which now included Allan, William and George.

Anne

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 9 Sep 2012 01:31

John Winning b1858 married Mary Scott b 1863.

Havent found the marriage but this is the birth of Walter Scott Winning, their son.

Walter Scott Winning
September 26 1893 Auchtertool
father John Winning Coal Pit Bottomer present at the birth
mother Mary Winning m.s. Scott

John Winning and Mary Scott were married
March 23 1882 West Liberty, Allegheny, Co . U.S. America

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 9 Sep 2012 01:37

Isabella Scott Maiden name Mark.
Died in Hamilton, Lanarkshire in 1897 aged 53

The names on these returns look to be right and her family also flitted between Lanarkshire and West Lothian!

spouse: Mary Philip
groom's name: Adam Mark
bride's name: Mary Philip
marriage date: 18 Apr 1841
marriage place: Barony,Lanark,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11968-6
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 0994189-0994191, 1041481, 0994188


1841 Scotland Census about Adam Mark ( census taken 6 Jun 1841)
Name: Adam Mark
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland
Civil parish: Shettleston
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Tolcross
Occupation: Coal M
Parish Number: 622
Household Members:
Name Age
Adam Mark 20
Mary Mark 20


1851 Scotland Census about Isabella Mark
Name: Isabella Mark
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Adam Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Mark
Gender: Female
Where born: Barony, Lanark
Parish Number: 673
Civil parish: Whitburn
County: West Lothian
Address: Greenburn
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 6
Page: 43 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 150
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1851_174
Household Members:
Name Age
Adam Mark 32
Mary Mark 33
Isabella Mark 7
Alan Mark 4
Helen Mark 1


1861 Scotland Census about Isabella Mark
Name: Isabella Mark
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Adam Mark
Mother's Name: Mary Mark
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Registration Number: 655
Registration district: Shotts
Civil parish: Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 24 Sommervilles Row
ED: 16
Household schedule number: 52
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1861_119
Household Members:
Name Age
Adam Mark 41
Mary Mark 43
Isabella Mark 17
Alan Mark 14
Ellen Mark 11
William Mark 8
Alexander Mark 4
Mary Mark 1

1871 Scotland Census about Adam Mark
Name: Adam Mark
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Shotts, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 673
Registration district: Whitburn
Civil parish: Whitburn
County: West Lothian
Address: No 53
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 48
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1871_153
Household Members:
Name Age
Adam Mark 51
William Mark 18
Alexander Mark 14
Mary Mark 11


And this will be Adam's parents and siblings including brother Thomas who immigrated to PA and on the US census of 1870 ( same wife and kids)
Therefore Thomas Mark was the uncle of Walter's wife, Isabella Scott ms Mark

1841 Scotland Census about Allan Mark
Name: Allan Mark
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Civil parish: Bothwell Holytown
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Carfin
Occupation: Coal M
Parish Number: 625
Household Members:
Name Age
Allan Mark 46
Isabella Mark 45
Alexander Mark 19
Elizabeth Mark 16
James Mark 14
Thomas Mark 11**
Janet Mark 8
Mary Mark 5
Elizabeth Chery 86

And Thomas..
1851 Scotland Census about Thomas Mark
Name: Thomas Mark
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Allan Mark
Mother's Name: Isabella Mark
Gender: Male
Where born: Shotts, Lanark
Parish Number: 628
Civil parish: Cambusnethan
Town: Wishaw
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Low Wishaw
Occupation: Coalminer
ED: 5
Page: 39 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 142
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1851_150
Household Members:
Name Age
Allan Mark 59
Isabella Mark 57
Thomas Mark 20**
Mary Mark 15
Jean Mark 12
Ellen Mark 9

1861 Scotland Census about Thomas Mark
Name: Thomas Mark
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Janet Mark
Gender: Male
Where born: Shotts, Lanark
Registration Number: 655
Registration district: Shotts
Civil parish: Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 20 Sommerville's Row
Occupation: Iron Miner
ED: 16
Household schedule number: 47
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1861_119
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Mark 30**
Janet Mark 29
Isabella Mark 4
Alan Mark 2
James Russell 24
John Malone 20
Margaret Smellie 12



Anne

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 9 Sep 2012 02:01

you're on your own til tomorrow (later today) Anne. Happy hunting.

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 9 Sep 2012 02:09

No i am just about off too... one teenage daughter still out clubbing, and I can't sleep til they are all home.

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 9 Sep 2012 06:55

Anne, Moody Blue, Eringobragh1916,

Thank you all so much for all this information, I think it will take me most of today to sort through and update my tree.

Thank you all again,

James Clusker

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 9 Sep 2012 07:56

James...Its good to know that the pieces of the jigsaw are fitting into place...but look how and where the family tree is extending ...!!

You did good Moody Blue and Anne...!!

I didnt consider the whole family going with John...(should have done)....not suprised they flitted from Lanark to West Lothian and PA....they were following the Coalfields






OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 9 Sep 2012 08:50

Eringobragh1916, Moody Blue, and Anne,

You have all done an excellent job and as I expand my family tree things do seem to be coming nicely together.

And yes they do seem to have followed the coalfields,and In America they also appear to have worked on the building of the railways,

Up until my grandfather on my mothers side was killed in a mining accident in Fife in1952 most of the family on both sides had associations with either coal mining or shale mining, if it were not for that accident I too could have ended up working in the mining industry.

My sincere appreciation to you all for all the information you have provided.

My Best Regards,

James Clusker

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 9 Sep 2012 09:08

James Your more than welcome...
I will send you a PM with the links for John and Elizabeths marriage...I cannot get it to copy onto here....

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 9 Sep 2012 09:53

Thanks for that Eringobragh1916

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 9 Sep 2012 09:58


Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947 about John Scott
Name: John Scott
Death Date: 2 Feb 1934
Death County or District: Wentworth
Age: 68
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 dob 05 February 1865
Birth Location: Scotland
Father: Walter Scott
Mother: Isabella Mark

Myocardial Failure


address 497 Charlton Ave Hamilton Ontario Canada


copy of death cert sent to James via pm