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will check these out on Cheshire/Northwich indexes

I used ancestry for census records

All the other household members in both 1901 and 1911 cenus are either servants, boarders or visitors who look to be children of the servants, so not relatives of Joseph.

The Congleton Joseph was married in 1891:-

1891 England Census about Joseph Morris
Name: Joseph Morris
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Nancy A Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Congleton, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Chorlton on Medlock
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: Pork Butcher
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3186
Folio: 13
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Morris 24
Nancy A Morris 23
Joseph T Morris 7/12
Emily Dodd 18

..............and was a pork butcher, so looks as though you can rule that one out.

I know this one states born Weaver:-

1881 England Census about Joseph Morris
Name: Joseph Morris
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Morris
Mother's Name: Jane Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Weaver, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Mere
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Mere Home Farm

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Altrincham
Sub-registration district: Knutsford
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3511
Folio: 72
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Morris 36 born: Baddington, Cheshire (Farmer Employing 3 Men)
Jane Morris 33 born: Church Coppenwell, Cheshire
Joseph Morris 14
John Morris 12 born: Walton, Cheshire
Anna Morris 10 born: Wharton, Cheshire
Thomas Morris 8 born: Wharton, Cheshire
Mary Jane Morris 6 born: Wharton, Cheshire
Eleanor Morris 4 born: Wharton, Cheshire
George Morris 2 born: Audlem, Cheshire
Charles Morris born: Mere, Cheshire
Frances Buckley 20
William Brown 46
Michael Sweeny 20

................but all other siblings are noted as being born Wharton, so worth considering!

sounds promising, especially the Wharton connection with siblings...will keep going

1891 census puts this family in the correct area, so really looking promising!

1891 England Census about Joseph Morris
Name: Joseph Morris
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Morris
Mother's Name: Jane Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Weaver, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: Halton St Mary
Town: Norton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Higher Moss Side Farm

Occupation: Farmer

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Runcorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2831
Folio: 59
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Morris 46
Jane Morris 43
Joseph Morris 23
John Morris 22
Annie Morris 20
Thomas Morris 18
Mary J Morris 16
George Morris 13
Charles Morris 11
James E Morris 9
Robert Morris 6
Edith Morris 4
Emely Morris 2
Michael Teevinin 25
Michael Reidl 19

................even down to the address of the farm!

Baptism
Forenames:Joseph
Surname:Morris
Sex:Male
Christening Year:1868
Christening Date:30 Jul 1868
Date of Birth:
Location:Wharton
Father's Forenames:Thomas (Farmer)
Father's Surname:Morris
Mother's Forename:Jane
Mother's Surname:Morris
Parish:
City or Town:Wharton
County:Cheshire

(adds above, if any help!)

Chris :)

Nice one Chris :-)

Thank you to both...I lived in the area the information is covering so I know all these places and they are very close together

1901 the family have moved, but without Joseph:-

1901 England Census about Thomas Morris
Name: Thomas Morris
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Minshull, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Dutton
Ecclesiastical parish: Little Leigh St Michael and All Angels
Town: Dutton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Farmer

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Piece: 3332
Folio: 32
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Morris 55
Jane Morris 53
John Morris 32
Annie Morris 29
Thomas Morris 28
Mary J Morris 26
George Morris 22
Charles Morris 20
James E Morris 18
Robert Morris 16
Edith Morris 14
Emily Morris 11

.......................so maybe Joseph stayed to look after the farm they were living at in 1891 and name changed to just Moss Side Farm?


Same family in 1911:-

1911 England Census about Jane Morris
Name: Jane Morris
Age in 1911: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Dutton Bartington
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Marsh House Dutton Warrington
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Runcorn
Registration District Number: 446
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 21601
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Morris 66
Jane Morris 63
John Morris 40
Annie Morris 38
Thomas Morris 36
Mary Morris 34
George Morris 32
Charles Morris 30
Edwin Morris 28
Edith Morris 24
Emily Morris 22


married 44yrs. (13 children, 10 living and 3 died)
.................................................

Baptisms for some of the children:-

Joseph Morris
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
baptême : 30 Jul 1868 Wharton, Cheshire, England
résidence : 30 Jul 1868 , Wharton, Cheshire, England
parents : Thomas Morris, Jane Morris

John Morris
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
baptême : 31 Jan 1870 Wharton, Cheshire, England
résidence : 31 Jan 1870 , Wharton, Cheshire, England
parents : Thomas Morris, Jane Morris

Annie Morris
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
baptême : 30 Nov 1873 Wharton, Cheshire, England
résidence : 30 Nov 1873 , Wharton, Cheshire, England
parents : Thomas Morris, Jane Morris

Thomas Morris
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
baptême : 30 Nov 1873 Wharton, Cheshire, England
résidence : 30 Nov 1873 , Wharton, Cheshire, England
parents : Thomas Morris, Jane Morris

Mary Jane Morris
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
baptême : 30 Nov 1876 Wharton, Cheshire, England
résidence : 30 Nov 1876 , Wharton, Cheshire, England
parents : Thomas Morris, Jane Morris

Elenor Morris
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
baptême : 30 Nov 1876 Wharton, Cheshire, England
résidence : 30 Nov 1876 , Wharton, Cheshire, England
parents : Thomas Morris, Jane Morris

Eleanor looks to be one of the children who died:-

Deaths Dec 1888 (>99%)
MORRIS Eleanor 14 Runcorn 8a 159

Have to go and do some shopping, but will be back later. :-D

Just in case this is correct family, here is the death of Thomas (Joseph's father):-

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Thomas Morris
Name: Thomas Morris
Birth Date: abt 1845
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1925
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Bucklow
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 297

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Thomas Morris
Name: Thomas Morris
Probate Date: 22 Apr 1925
Death Date: 6 Mar 1925
Death Place: Birkenhead, Merseyside, England
Registry: Cheshire, England


Thomas of Northwood House High Legh near Knutsford Cheshire died 20 January 1925 Probate Chester 18 March to Joseph Morris John Morris and Edwin James Morris farmers.
Effects:- £20168 16s 6d.

So he died a very wealthy man!!

Married 44yrs. so this is a possible marriage for Thomas and Jane:-

Marriages Dec 1866 (>99%)
Higgins Elizabeth Northwich 8a 378
xxxx MORRIS Thomas Northwich 8a 378 xxxx
xxxx OWEN Jane Northwich 8a 378 xxxx
Yoxall George Northwich 8a 378

Forgot to post 1871 for above family, so here it is:-

1871 England Census about Joseph Morris
Name: Joseph Morris
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Morris
Mother's Name: Jane Morris
Gender: Male
Where born: Weaver, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Wharton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wharton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 3699
Folio: 97
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Morris 26 born: Minshul Vernon, Cheshire (Farmer of 111 Acres)
Jane Morris 23 born: Weaver, Cheshire
Joseph Morris 4
John Morris 2
Anne Morris 5 Months
William Whittey 20
George Fogg 17
Ann Palin 16
Jane Baker 12
John Riley 24

Thanks Catherine, I feel quite sure that this has to be my Joseph Morris, my mum always said that he was a wealthy Cheshire farmer, he used to keep in contact by letter with my Grandma Josephine before she married in 1919 even though they did not live very far apart, perhaps a brisk half hour walk, he used to make excuses that he didn`t want her at the farm because he was too busy haymaking etc. would ask her to tea and then cancel the day before. Dare I say it that I am still trying to trace his death! Thank you very much for your help over the past few days
Jo

Forenames:Thomas
Surname:Morris
Marriage Date:20 Dec 1866
Marriage Year:1866
Age:22y
Record Group:08-0497 p1
Ref ID:Page: 174 Record number: 347
Spouse's Forenames:Jane
Spouse's Surname:Owen
Spouse's Age:19y
Spouse's Father's Name:Joseph Owen (Farmer)
County:Cheshire
(Thomas Father, George Morris, Farmer, witnesses, Joseph Owen, Mary Owen)

Chris :)

Thanks Chris, as you may have gathered I am a complete novice at this!!

If Josephine was in contact with her father, then he may very well be named on her marriage certificate. This will at least give you proof of his name and perhaps his occupation and if it states that he was still living at the time, then you know to look for a death after 1919.
Pity you don't have the letters, or at least a copy, as they may give some important clues that could help confirm that the Morris family I have found, is indeed the correct one.

Have looked for a death for Joseph but can't say with any certainty if any are correct. :-(

thinking about it, if he is the right Joseph he must have been alive after 1925 to be mentioned in his dads will, sent for marriage certificate today so here`s hoping
Jo

Good thinking josephine. May be worth looking into possibel probates for his brothers in case he is named in their wills.
There must suely be a pobate for Joseph too with him being wealthy?