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Annie 'Tushingham' born around 1867/8 A mystery!

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Horrace

Horrace Report 23 Jun 2013 17:07

George Tushingham, the licensee of the New Inn, Newtown, Chester, lost his first wife Mary Richardson in 1888, the year of the birth of their last child together, Mary E. Tushingham.
In the later censuses, one Annie Tushingham is named as his wife, with whom he had their first child together, Beatrice.
The problem is, I can find no record of Annie's marriage to George, even in naming no place of marriage in the GR search facility. Neither can I find Annie's maiden name in any of the birth records of their children, so it is impossible to find her own birth record. This is also intriguing because in the 1901 census she is down as born in Whitchurch, Salop; whereas in the 1911 census, she's down as born in Malpas, Cheshire. I am beginning to doubt whether they were married at all. I know I need to send for the certificates, but the basic facts are not to hand.

My wife's mother was a Tushingham from Chester, George's son's niece.

The only hint of a possible maiden name for Annie has been gleaned by me from a web site: 'The Old Pubs of Chester ' where one Lucy Tushingham posted a note, viz: " I'm looking for information (about) The New Inn, Chester. My great granddad ran the pub, and my Dad was born there. William Probyn Tushingham was his son; he took the name Probyn from his mother Annie"

I have, of course, tried the maiden name Probyn for Annie with no result. I'm beginning to think that George and Annie were 'shacked up' together; it ain't just a modern life-style!

Now, those with brains can have a try, eh? (Ha ha)!
Good luck then.

Horrace (pseudonym! :-) :-D ;-)

Astra

Astra Report 23 Jun 2013 17:19

Marriages Jun 1902 (>99%)
Jones Edmund Crowdson Liverpool 8b 111
>>PROBYN Annie Liverpool 8b 111
Thoms Mary Liverpool 8b 111
>>Tushingham George Liverpool 8b 111

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Jun 2013 17:21

1911 Address: 28 Walter St Chester
TUSHINGHAM, George Head Married M 65 1846 Publican Licensed Foulk Stapleford Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Annie Wife Married19 years F 45 1866 Malpas Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Samuel Son Single M 35 1876 Assists His Fathr Chester
TUSHINGHAM, William Probyn Son Single M 18 1893 Apprentice Chester
TUSHINGHAM, Martha Annie Daughter F 14 1897 School Chester
TUSHINGHAM, Beatrice Daughter F 12 1899 School Chester
TUSHINGHAM, Florence Daughter F 7 1904 School Chester
GANDY, Emma Servant Married F 52 1859 Grappenhall Cheshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 23 Jun 2013 17:22

For reference only


1911 census transcription details for: 28 Walter St Chester
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN21878 RG78PN1303 RD450 SD3 ED8 SN227
Reg. District: Chester
Sub District: Chester Cathedral
Parish: Chester
Enum. District: 8
Address: 28 Walter St Chester
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TUSHINGHAM, George Head Married M 65 1846 Publican Licensed Foulk Stapleford Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Annie Wife Married
19 years F 45 1866 Malpas Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Samuel Son Single M 35 1876 Assists His Fathr Chester
TUSHINGHAM, William Probyn Son Single M 18 1893 Apprentice Chester
TUSHINGHAM, Martha Annie Daughter F 14 1897 School Chester
TUSHINGHAM, Beatrice Daughter F 12 1899 School Chester
TUSHINGHAM, Florence Daughter F 7 1904 School Chester
GANDY, Emma Servant Married F 52 1859 Grappenhall Cheshire


They had had 6 children together, 2 had died.


1901 census transcription details for: 28, (New Inn), Walter Street, Chester
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3374
Folio: 49
Page: 26
Reg. District: Chester
Sub District: Chester Cathedral
Parish: Chester
Enum. District: 15
Ecclesiastical District: Christ Church
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 28, (New Inn), Walter Street, Chester
County: Cheshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TUSHINGHAM, George Head Married M 55 1846 Licensed Victualler
Stapleford, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Annie Wife Married F 34 1867
Whitchurch, Salop
TUSHINGHAM, Samuel Son Single M 23 1878
Chester, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Joseph W Son Single M 21 1880
Chester, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Alice Daughter Single F 17 1884
Chester, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Mary E Daughter Single F 13 1888 Dressmaker's Apprentice
Chester, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Wm Probyn Son Single M 8 1893
Chester, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Martha Alice Daughter Single F 4 1897
Chester, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Beatrice Daughter Single F 2 1899
Chester, Cheshire

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Jun 2013 17:24

Hmm Astra's marriage is in 1902 but 1911 census says married for 16 years. I am not good at maths but....... needs investigating.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Jun 2013 17:25

1891 Address: 28, New Inn, Walter Street, Chester
TUSHINGHAM, George Head Widower M 45 1846 Publican
Foulk Stapleford, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Samuel Son M 15 1876
Chester, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Charles Son M 10 1881 Scholar
Chester, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Alice Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Chester, Cheshire
ATKIN, Sarah Niece Single F 16 1875 General Servant Domestic
Christleton, Cheshire

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Jun 2013 17:28

1861 Address: Cottage, Foulk Stapleford
TUSHINGHAM, Samuel Head Married M 43 1818 Coal Caster
Tattenhall, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Martha Wife Married F 38 1823
Duddon, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, George Son Unmarried M 15 1846
Foulk Stapleford, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Mary Daughter F 13 1848 Scholar
Foulk Stapleford, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Ann Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Foulk Stapleford, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, John Son M 8 1853 Scholar
Foulk Stapleford, Cheshire

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Jun 2013 17:29

1871 Address: Christleton, Christleton
ATKIN, John Head M 21 1850 Cheshire
ATKIN, Sarah Wife F 27 1844 Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, George ? M 26 1845 Cheshire

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Jun 2013 17:30

Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record

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Forenames: George
Surname: Tushingham
Sex: Male
Christening Year: 1845
Christening Date: 27 Jul 1845
Date of Birth:
Age:
Location: Tarvin
Father's Forenames: Samuel
Father's Surname: Tushingham
Mother's Forename: Martha
Mother's Surname: Tushingham
Parish:
City or Town: Tarvin
County: Cheshire
Record source: Diocese of Chester Bishop's Transcripts of Baptisms
Data provider: Cheshire Archives and Local Studies

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Jun 2013 17:32

George's marriage to Mary
Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record

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Forenames: George
Surname: Tushingham
Marriage Date: 16 Apr 1868
Marriage Year: 1868
Age: 23y
Record Group: Part 1 - 1
Ref ID: item 4 p 17
Spouse's Forenames: Mary
Spouse's Surname: Richardson
Spouse's Age: 21y
Spouse's Father's Name: John Richardson
Parish: St. John the Baptist
City / Town: Chester
County: Cheshire
Record source: Diocese of Chester parish registers of Marriages c1538-1910
Data provider: Cheshire Archives and Local Studies

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Jun 2013 17:34

Could he have married 2 Mary's?

Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record

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Forenames: George
Surname: Tushingham
Marriage Date: 16 Jun 1874
Marriage Year: 1874
Age: 29y
Record Group: Part 1 - 1
Ref ID: item 2 p 178
Spouse's Forenames: Mary
Spouse's Surname: Jackson
Spouse's Age: 26y
Spouse's Father's Name: William Jackson
Parish: St. John the Baptist
City / Town: Chester
County: Cheshire
Record source: Diocese of Chester parish registers of Marriages c1538-1910
Data provider: Cheshire Archives and Local Studies

alviegal

alviegal Report 23 Jun 2013 17:39

Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record
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Forenames: William Probyn
Surname: Tushingham
Sex: Male
Christening Year: 1893
Christening Date: 09 Mar 1893
Date of Birth:
Place of Birth:
Father's Forenames: George
Father's Surname: Tushingham
Mother's Forename: Annie
Mother's Surname:
Record Group: Part 1 - 1
Record Number: 193
Parish: Christ Church


Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record
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Forenames: Nellie
Surname: Tushingham
Sex: Female
Christening Year: 1895
Christening Date: 23 Jan 1895
Date of Birth:
Place of Birth:
Father's Forenames: George
Father's Surname: Tushingham
Mother's Forename: Annie
Mother's Surname:
Record Group: Part 1 - 1
Record Number: 4
Parish: Christ Church


Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record
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Forenames: Martha Annie
Surname: Tushingham
Sex: Female
Christening Year: 1897
Christening Date: 09 Jan 1897
Date of Birth:
Place of Birth:
Father's Forenames: George
Father's Surname: Tushingham
Mother's Forename: Annie
Mother's Surname:
Record Group: Part 1 - 1
Record Number: 278
Parish: Christ Church


Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record
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Forenames: Beatrice
Surname: Tushingham
Sex: Female
Christening Year: 1899
Christening Date: 29 Mar 1899
Date of Birth:
Place of Birth:
Father's Forenames: George
Father's Surname: Tushingham
Mother's Forename: Annie
Mother's Surname:
Record Group: Part 1 - 1
Record Number: 96
Parish: Christ Church


Wonder if they said they had been married 19 years in 1911 to make these children 'respectable.' Perhaps that is why they married in Liverpool?

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Jun 2013 17:41

Parish Record Collection - Baptism Record

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Forenames: William Probyn
Surname: Tushingham
Sex: Male
Christening Year: 1893
Christening Date: 09 Mar 1893
Date of Birth:
Place of Birth:
Father's Forenames: George
Father's Surname: Tushingham
Mother's Forename: Annie
Mother's Surname:
Record Group: Part 1 - 1
Record Number: 193
Parish: Christ Church
City or Town: Chester
County: Cheshire
Record source: Diocese of Chester parish registers of baptisms 1538-1910
Data provider: Cheshire Archives and Local Studies

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Jun 2013 17:52

1881 Address: 28, Walter St, Chester St Oswald
TUSHINGHAM, Geo Head Married M 56 1825 Licensed Victualler
Foulkestapleford, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Mary Wife Married F 34 1847
Overpool, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, John R Son Single M 12 1869
Christleton, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Saml Son Single M 4 1877
Chester, Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, Jos W Son Single M 1 1880
Chester, Cheshire

Horrace

Horrace Report 23 Jun 2013 18:07

Thank you: Astra, LadyKira, and alviegal,

All that you have given to me is much appreciated.

Astra, I see your info, but LadyKira has a point about that date.

Unfortunately, most of what you have all given has been viewed by me already, and has not taken me much further down the line in the specific information I had sought and outlined in my question.

Horrace

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Jun 2013 18:07

Looks like John 1869 was not with parents 1871

1871 Address: Christleton, Christleton
ATKIN, Joseph Head M 52 1819 Cheshire
ATKIN, Sarah Wife F 47 1824 Cheshire
ATKIN, Mary Daughter F 17 1854 Cheshire
TUSHINGHAM, John Boarder M 2 1869 Cheshire
JONES, Louise Visitor F 24 1847 Cheshire

Astra

Astra Report 23 Jun 2013 18:14

They won't be the first couple who married many years after they were first together and they won't be the last.

The only way you will ever know is by getting the marriage certificate and seeing what information it contains.

It may or may not be them.

Stuart

Stuart Report 23 Jun 2013 18:16

Could this explain the different places of birth for Annie. Here it says born Cheshire but by age 6 she is in the Whitchurch RD, Shropshire

EDIT - there is an Edge Green, Cheshire, very close to Malpas Cheshire but the RD could well be Whitchurch, Shropshire

1871 census transcription details for: Edge, Edge


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 2798
Folio: 71
Page: 33
Reg. District: Whitchurch
Sub District: Malpas Cheshire
Parish: Edge
Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Edge, Edge
County: Shropshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
PROBIN, Thos Head M 74 1797 Cheshire
PROBIN, Elizabeth Wife F 73 1798 Cheshire
PROBIN, Charles Son M 31 1840 Cheshire
PROBIN, Fanny Granddaughter F 8 1863 Cheshire
PROBIN, Annie Granddaughter F 6 1865 Cheshire

All born Edge, Cheshire

alviegal

alviegal Report 23 Jun 2013 18:17


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about George Tushingham
Name: George Tushingham of The New Inn, Walter St
Probate Date: 13 Feb 1924
Death Date: 17 Jan 1924
Death Place: Cheshire, England
Registry: Cheshire, England


Administration to John Richardson Tushingham, licensed victualler. Effects £1901 9s 2d.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 23 Jun 2013 18:20

I am still looking for info on Annie. THere are a few Probyns born Malpas but not Annie,

I am certain George married two different Mary's as birth year is given and only one George born 1849.

Next step would be to find a death for a Mary in between the 2 marriages.