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NEW BRICKWALL THREAD FOR 'Hard to find rellies'

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Helen Report 16 May 2005 21:51

Michele I know it's skipping a generation but could this be the marriage of your William's parents? East Meon is not far from Petersfield. THOMAS ANSEL Marriages: Spouse: HANNAH NEWLAND Family Marriage: 17 JUL 1791 East Meon, Hampshire, England Batch No.: M145172 1754 - 1875


Helen Report 16 May 2005 22:12

Posted a couple of times before but here goes...... Albert Gurney was born c.1803 and I would like to find details of his baptism. He married Susannah Glasscock by licence in 1831 in Lambeth. In 1841 he is living in St Pancras and is not born in the county (Middlesex). His occupation is 'traveller' on the Census. Daughter Mary born c.1835, can't find her baptism. His son Richard was born 1842, Albert's occupation is 'gentleman' on the birth certificate. Albert died later in 1842 of disease of the heart aged 39, occupation was again 'gentleman' on the death certificate. Have tried tracing a Will but no luck. Anyone got any ideas where I could look next?


Macbev Report 17 May 2005 07:22

I've hunted off-and-on for this chap for years. His details come from a family pedigree begun by the Heralds Visitations of Dorset and later added to by a descendant -so I'm reasonably sure he existed. He was Thomas GOULD, eldest twin son of Nicholas GOULD & Mary STILLMAN, b.1780 Trowbridge Wilts. He is named in his father's will. I have a sneaking suspicion he was a 'bad lad'.because the family estates were divvied up among all his brothers. According to the family pedigree, he married Ann LONGHURST 24 Nov 1846 Trinity Church Lambeth (I can't find the record). She seems to have been a working class gal from all I can find out in subsequent census. His eldest son, Edward Wentworth GOULD, was born (again from family pedigree, but this time confirmed from other sources) 27 Nov 1846 ,Blackfriars Surrey -a bit close to the wedding, I thought. Also, Thomas was 66 yrs at the time and Ann only 25. Another son, Frederick Wentworth GOULD was born 17 Dec 1848 St John's Wood Middlesex. Thomas died (according to family pedigree)16 Jun 1856 (can't find record) and buried in All Souls Cemetery Kensall Green. His wife Ann seems to have brought up her sons in 'trade' and as far as I can see, had no contact with her husband's family. However, they must have known about her, because when the chap who added to the original GOULD pedigree was doing his bit, he actually wrote to Thomas' sons. Frederick's descendants in America have a copy of his work as well as the original letter/s. My problem is that I don't know where to look for Thomas on either the 1841 or 1851 census -somewhere in London, I presume from the locations of his sons' births. I don't know why I cannot find a record of his marriage or death. And I want to know why his widow had to resort to child minding in Greenwich (1861) -did Thomas gamble away all his inheritance? Beverley from Perth Western Australia

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 17 May 2005 07:51

Can someone find Henry? Searching for baptism / parents of Henry SHEATH whose census details say he was born c.1813 in Beaulieu, Hampshire. I have checked parish registers on fiche at Record office and there was a SHEATH couple having children baptised in Beaulieu at that time, - but no Henry.... Thomas the 'father' was a blacksmith as was Henry. There is even a gap between their children, where Henry would fit. I have tracked the other children incase Henry was in fact baptised with a different name but they are all separate individuals. By 1841 Thomas was in Isle of Wight and Henry had moved to Southampton so no chance of finding them together. I'd love to get further back from Henry. Can anyone help?


Jan Report 17 May 2005 09:29

Hi all I have on the 1901 census my gx2 grandmother living in Mees Square Eccles Rachael Kelly she is stated as married but no husband is there she is married to head of the house (no head there) her youngest daughter is Rachael Kelly born 1901 Barton upon Irwell (other kids surnames are Procter) fathers name on birth cert is Joseph Kelly. I have hunted high and low for a marriage for them her unmarried name was Bellis and prev marriage was in 1888 to Richard Procter. child before Rachael is Janet Procter b 28/07/1894 Can anyone break this wall so I can find who what when where my gx2 grandfather was. Jan x


Michele Report 17 May 2005 12:47

Helen Wow I have fingers crossed that it maybe, really odd thing is my brother now lives about 3 miles from east meon. Many thanks for finding this info, by the way where did you find it?? Michele


Jane Report 17 May 2005 15:20

Would be grateful if anyone can help several people have tried on this site,which Iam grateful for, but no luck so far. missing from 1891 census Henry James Foreman born poss 1865 Gravesend.Kent. His wife Eliza Jane Foreman (Welfare) born poss 1869 Icklesham.Sussex. Married 10 August 1890 Strood.Kent thier Address on marriage is Perry Street Northfleet. Jane.


Sally Report 17 May 2005 16:44

hello all -completely stuck on this one: William Cooper, born c1847 Bishop Auckland, on 1901 he appears, married to a Jane born 1855, Stockton, Durham. By the time of one of his daughters' marriage in 1915 he had died. He worked at the gas mains. I just cannot find him anywhere previous to 1901, but I know that (presumably after his marriage, as they both come from Durham) he moved to Yorkshire, probably the Bramley area. Sally


Jenny Report 17 May 2005 17:33

Hello, My two problems or two main problems are: Mary Theresa Fitzgerald was supposed to marry a scottish Army Officer Captain Bernard Cochrane 1851-1855. Have searched 1837 online plus local parish records for marriage.No luck! Their first child Hannah Cochrane shows on census as being born in Woolwich,Kent 1852-1853. Searched 1837 online & local parish records for her birth again Nothing!!! Mary is shown as unmarried on 1851 census Greenwich,Kent age 23 born Ireland Mary Fitzgerald (maiden name). Cant find her or him on 1861 census or any of their children. 1871 1881 1891 Have her and her children always living in St Pauls,Deptford. I cant get back any further without a location in Ireland for her only info is she came from county Cork. Same with him I know he died in Crimean war but no location for Scotland so two dead ends!!! If anyone can help I would be over the moon! Jenny

Karen in the desert

Karen in the desert Report 17 May 2005 18:22

This thread is a good idea....I've been up against my brickwall for years. However if someone out there is looking for a challenge, and I mean a challenge - and you manage to shed ANY light on this puzzle, well...I'll love you forever!!!! John Samuel MITCHELL. Born c1897, no birth or death record England & Wales. His father was Peter MITCHELL, family rumour says possible Irish / Scottish / Canadian connection (Winnipeg). John Samuel MITCHELL married Mary Ethel Mills Whittlesey on 17 October 1920 in Marylebone, London. They lived at 4 Hereford St, Marylebone. I have their marriage cert. It says he was a postman - but London Postal archives have no record of him. They had one son, Raymond Mitchell in 1927 (my father). John Samuel Mitchell disappeared in 1934.


Sheila Report 17 May 2005 18:23

William Goadby and his brother Joseph Goadby born Leicester 1871 and 1873 respectively. I have them on the 1891 and 1901 censuses, but not on the 1881. Their mother, Ann Goadby (nee Bodycote - later Smith and Riley) is also missing from the 1881 but their sister Sarah Ann Goadby is on the 1871 with her parents, 1881 with relatives, and 1891 and 1901 with her husband Harry Moir and their children. I've even tried the workhouse, but they aren't there either. Any ideas anyone? Sheila


Liberty64 Report 17 May 2005 19:38

nudge for Jan and Smiley


Jan.jan Report 17 May 2005 20:49

Message for Smiley Sammy. Iv'e E.Mailed you with some Bessants.


Julie Report 17 May 2005 22:10

here goes, appologies to those who have heard it all before!! Looking for JOSEPH BEAUMONT birth 1857/8 Manchester. Ive found him in 1881/91/01 living in Liverpool, his occupation is a Publican, and his death in 1911. Ive also got his marriage in 1875 Liverpool to Clara Hill. My problem is cant find him 1871/61 or find any birth ref for him. His fathers name is also Joseph Beaumont Occ: Commerical traveller, he is deceased by 1875. Im tearing my hair out with him as i can't go back further till i find details of parents marriage. Jules


Cliff Report 17 May 2005 22:35

Trying to get a hook into: ELIZABETH CUTTS born c.1886 - died 13.01.1967. Married twice to (1) Robert? LINDLEY and by 1915 to (2) Robert BOWERS. Lived in North Nottinghamshire most of her life but MAY have originated from South Yorkshire. Any pointers where to start looking ? All suggestions gratefully received. Cliff


Patricia Report 5 Jul 2005 14:44

My brickwall is trying to find Miles Haley whose wife was Mary Finn, no other information on either of them. They had a son Charles Haley born 28.6.1881 in Endell Street Workhouse. Father Miles was a costermonger. As the census was taken in April I should be able to find Miles and Mary in 1881. Their son Charles went on to marry my grandmothers sister in 1901 when he said his father Miles was deceased. Any help appreciated. Pat.


Sophie Report 5 Jul 2005 14:55

Hi, i am looking for Marion Josaphine Murphy born in Ireland approx 1875 had children Hugh Patrick Murphy 1904 Fulham and Mary Magarita Graham 1909 Wimbledon her name changes to Mary Anne Graham formerly Beglin on Mary Margaritas Birth cert. Mary Anne Graham died in 1956 in sheffield. I have no clue where to start. I Don't know where abouts in Ireland she was born although the places garadice, meath, kildare and kilcock have beeen found on a scrap of paper when her daughter died along with the names John and Bridget. She spoke gaelic. Not alot of hope for me is there? Sophie x

♥ Kitty the Rubbish Cook ♥

♥ Kitty the Rubbish Cook ♥ Report 9 Aug 2005 15:00

Hello What a great thread! My brick wall has been on before and I was very grateful for the help, but maybe this time I will have more luck. I can't find the birth of Thomas Parsons born 1818 Cork Ireland. He was in England from at least Nov 1841 when he married Sarah Biggs. According to the marriage certificate his father, Charles, was deceased and the witnesses names are none that I recognise. Kind fellow GR members found him in the 1841 census' onwards to 1881. Any help finding his birth would really be appreciated. Kathy


Chloe Report 9 Aug 2005 16:54

looking for DANIEL GRIFFITH born c.1803/1804 in bristol,in 1851 census is in holborn area of london,widowed,with children,charlotte aged 17 born city of london ,william aged16 born city of london and margaret aged 12 born lambeth. daniel died 1871 before census date,know where william was 1871,but where was the famiily in 1861 and what happened to the girls?

The Ego

The Ego Report 9 Aug 2005 17:09

ANNIE IN ESSEX>>>>>>>>>>>> Susan morgan mystery............... you say shes missing from 1891 and 1901 census liverpool.... 1. 1891 census liverpool is not reliable,many are missing. 2.nobody with the name susan morgan died 1882-1902 in liverpool. 3.There are 2 marriages however in the peiod 1885-1905 for a susan morgan in liverpool.being widowed,very possible she got lonely!! these might be the answer......... Dec 1885 Susan Morgan West derby 8b 854 Mar 1886 susan morgan liverpool 8b 2(14)5