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NEW BRICKWALL THREAD FOR 'Hard to find rellies'

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The Ego

The Ego Report 9 Aug 2005 18:08

CHLOE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found your Daniel in 1861. Daniel Griffith Head Widower M 55 born East Dean,Gloucs. Sarah Young servant Widow F 60 Reg . RG09 Piece 1756 Folio 5 page 8 Westbury -on -Severn Eccl. Dist. St. John Parish East dean Address Blakeney Hill His age has been rounded off,as is common in some censi. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FACT (1) No Daniel griffith resident in censi in London 1861 aged 52-62. FACT(2) There were 21 Daniel griffith resident in censi across the country aged 52-62. Of these ONLY TWO WERE WIDOWERS,and the one I have discounted is a man who is living with his 2 old brothers and 88 year old father. FACT (3) none of the Daniels was recorded as born bristol. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- His children will have grown up by this time,making their way in London.Going back to his roots is not unexpected.

The Ego

The Ego Report 9 Aug 2005 18:21

CHLOE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have Williams address in London,1861 London.,living with his uncle. BIRD Danuel M 36 Pancras BIRD Lydia M 36 Pancras GRIFFITH William Nephew 26 Pancras Eccles. Dist.=St. Luke Address 5,Smiths Place Piece 118 Folio 68 Pg 37 LONDON 1861 CENSUS

The Ego

The Ego Report 9 Aug 2005 18:50

CHLOE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found Margaret as well I think in london 1861. only one resident in her age group in 1861,with that name. No matches for gloucester census justin case she went to fathers area. No marriages in london area or anywhere near for Margaret 1851-1861. Aged 25 ,housemaid 34 Upper Bedford Place,London Piece 166 Folio 15 Pg 27 St george ,Bloomsbury This was the only margaret griffith I could find that fitted.


GeordieCath Report 9 Aug 2005 19:06

Hi all, One of my many brick walls is the death of my grandad : ALFRED MCDUFF FORREST HILL born 1898 in wallsend [tynemouth district]. I have trawled through 1837 online for his death but come up with nothing unless i missed it silly me didn't save pages. his youngest child was born 1932 and according to my uncle he died before he came home on leave from the navy in 1947 . so if anyone is looking through 1837 online around the hill surname can you please keep a look out many thanks Cath


Hilary Report 9 Aug 2005 20:52

Tried before on here but here I go again. One of my brick walls is Mary Ann Thurrell. Father Joseph Thurrell. She was my gt. gt. gran. She married David Baird In Islington in Sept 1851. Had a son in Lambeth in 1853. Died in Islington in 1855. Where the hell was she born. Must be on 1851 census somewhere. Not at same address in Islington as David. Wish someone could help. Hilary. x

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 9 Aug 2005 20:59

Well if I don't try I will kick myself. here goes: can't fnd birth of Charles BATEMAN around 1866-68 in Deptford Kent. Can't find him in 1881 either. Have him in 71, 91 and 01, also have marriage 1888. Would also like to find his dad, William Bateman around 1835 Southwark Middlesex (William's dad was also William). Off to walk the dog.


Dea Report 9 Aug 2005 21:02

Alter dearest, Why can't you find MY people ? Seriously, - I am SO glad you can help others but it's SSOOO frustrating !! Dea XXXxxx


Dea Report 9 Aug 2005 21:26

I'm working, I'm working -waiting for replies. ! Dea XXXxxx


Abigail Report 9 Aug 2005 21:38

HEllo, I have just put up another thread that maybe I should have put on here but I have a higher brick wall than that one even! James Peter Martin, died June 1943, (found this with your help after someone suggested that he may have died away from home). Married May Bohanna in Fleetwood in October 1939. Census 1901 - invisible to me! Census 1891 - invisible again! Born: 1889 according to ages on certs I have but I cannot find him on the index! Any takers? Oh, and part of the problem is that I was following the wrong Henry as his father for four years, and that I don't have any idea of where he was born! Thank you Abigail


Dorothy Report 9 Aug 2005 21:47

My missing rellie, a Joan Brash, bn 1850, Herts, is missing on 1861 England & Wales census, possible that she could have been in Scotland,maybe East Lothian areas, as that is where her parent,s originated from. This would be of immense help if anyone could track her down. Dolly.


Liberty64 Report 9 Aug 2005 22:16

For Julie Samuels: re Joseph Beaumont 1857/8 Julie Ive found following on 1871, you have probobally seen it before, however looking at household on image there is no 'head' or 'wife' recorded, but rather a 'lodger' and two children Joseph 14yrs and Clara 12yrs. Im wondering if the Lodger could be a aunt/relative as opposed to being their mother, she is a widow, occupation seamstress. The mother may have been away on census night, or with her husband Joseph the commercial travellor. Just a thought! 1871 England Census records matching your search for All Records > Census > 1871 England Census Match Quality Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish or Township County/Island View Image Clara Beaumont abt 1859 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Chorlton on Medlock Lancashire Joseph Beaumont abt 1857 Lougsight, Lancashire, England Son Chorlton on Medlock Lancashire Mary Beaumont abt 1837 Manchester, Lancashire, England Lodger Chorlton on Medlock Lancashire Source information: RG10/3992 Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Folio: 122 Page: 12 Household schedule number: 69 GSU Number: 846096 Lib *************************************** Ive looked for the above in 1861 and I cannot find them! Julie could any of these be Joseph snr marriage: Name: Beaumont, Joseph Record Type: Marriages Quarter: June Year: 1853 District: Manchester (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 302 Both brides are Ellen! Ashworth, Ellen 1853 June Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Beaumont, Joseph 1853 June Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Newton, Ellen 1853 June Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire SAMPSON, Jeremiah 1853 June Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire ******************************* Or this one! name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1857 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beaumont Joseph Manchester 8d 464 Hindley Esther Manchester 8d 464 Taylor Margaret Manchester 8d 464 Or there is this one, although a little after Joseph 1857/8 birth: Name: Beaumont, Joseph Record Type: Marriages Quarter: September Year: 1859 District: Manchester (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 254 Beaumont, Joseph 1859 September Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Biggar, Martha 1859 September Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Bigger, Martha 1859 September Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire Cash, John 1859 September Marriages Manchester (1837-1924) Lancashire lib


Maggie Report 9 Aug 2005 22:32

Please, please could anyone help, I am trying to find the maiden name of the wife of Frederic Percival. Fred was born in Redmire Yorkshire around 1862 and his wife Mary was born around 1859 in Bury. They lived in Skipton and I think that is where they married. I have found a marriage for a Frederic Percival in 1882 Sept quarter vol 9a Page 70 but no Mary. May I just say as a novice at this I am totally impressed by all your knowledge and your kindness in helping people. Thank you. Best wishes to you all. Margaret from Lancashire.

The Ego

The Ego Report 9 Aug 2005 22:52

Margaret, If we ignore the Skipton location first,which is not proven for the marriage,there are only 2 marriages that involve a Frederick percival marrying a mary in the space of 20 years !! Frederick Percival March 1883 Ormskirk 8b 944=Mary Ellen Astbury. Also September 1883 either mary hart or mary Turner married a Frederick Percival Nantwich 8a 466(cert would clarify which one) Any other matches involved london.


Maggie Report 9 Aug 2005 23:32

Dear Alter-ego, Thank you so much for taking the trouble to look, I shall certainly follow the leads you have given me. I intend to try and get a marriage cert. Thanks again and kind regards. Margaret from Lancashire.


Daisy Report 10 Aug 2005 13:53

Hi, Please could anyone help me fine on the 1871 census: Ann(e) Maria or Hannah Maria Shackleton aged about 27 although she seems to have altered her age slightly in later life. Her son John Shackleton aged about 9. Both these people were born in Haslingden Lancs. Ann had links with the Burnley area. She was unmarried and always lived with other relatives. I have found her on the 1851, 1861, 1881, 1891 and 1901 census's but she seems to have escaped the 1871 census. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Cheryl Report 10 Aug 2005 15:59

Hi One and all This thread is brilliant I managed to trace the marriage of my Grandparents after two years of searching. Thankyou to everybody that has helped me and good luck with your searches Cheryl

The Ego

The Ego Report 11 Aug 2005 09:45

CLIFF HOLLAND>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Births shortlist for Elizabeth Cutts: EliZabeth julia Cutts lambeth 1d 526 Sep 1885 Elizabeth Florence Cutts W.Ham 4a 204 Mar 1886 Elizabeth Ellen Cutts Newcastle T. 10b 142 Mar 1887.***** Eliza Cutts Lexden 4a 491 June 1885 Eliza Cutts Chesterfield 7b 7__ Dec 1885 ***** Sophia Elizabeth Cutts Nottingham 7b 401 Dec 1885.***** Ann Elizabeth Cutts Chesterfield 7b 756 Mar 1886 ****** Annie Elizabeth Cutts Chesterfield 7b 711 Mar 1887. ****** --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mariages for Elizabeth : Mar 1903 Elizabeth Cutts married William Froggatt LINDLEY Chesterfield 7b 905 (cert) Sep 1910 Elizabeth Lindley married Robert BOWERS Mansfield 7b 181 (cert) In both cases they were the only matches,and are irrefutably your lady.


valinkent Report 11 Aug 2005 11:47

My great grandfather was born in Gibraltar in 1818 anyone have any idea how i can find his birth. I have registered on the 'All Gibraltar' site but have had no replies. Val


Emily Report 11 Aug 2005 12:15

Caroline WISE b 1853 Bloxham, Oxfordshire. Last found in Reading Union Workhouse 1891. Had lived with Thomas (Tom) BOYLES, a farrier/blacksmith until 1889/1890. Had Tom b1879, Charles (1881-1883), Harry b1883, Mary Ann b1884, Ellen b1887 & Kate b1889 - all registered in name of BOYLES. Baby Kate was in the workhouse with her mother. Tom, Harry, Mary Ann & Ellen (Nellie) were inmates in Reading & Wokingham District School in 1891. Caroline and her children had reverted to the name of WISE in 1891. After 2 years of searching I can't find anything, anywhere after that date. Emily


Cliff Report 13 Aug 2005 14:39

Re Ebeth CUTTS: That's absolutely brilliant. Thank you so much. More work to do now LOL Cliff